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From what I've seen of current games that use more than 4 Cores, it still wont make a huge difference. AMD will still need to improve on their single core performance to be competitive Apples to Apples.

i.e. - 25% CPU usage over 8 Cores vs 50% CPU usage over 4 Cores - Intel still has stronger per core performance so as long as it has CPU headroom it will be better.

Windows' Task Manager usually attempts to split up the load over as many cores as possible, which usually prevents turbo boost for poorly threaded games from kicking in.

I recall that Simcity 4, a single-core game that can kneecap even a Haswell clocked at 5 GHz given a sufficiently large enough city and with Network Addon Mod (traffic pathfinding enhancer), typically had a steady 50% load on a dual-core CPU and a 12.5% load on a quad-core CPU with HT.

I don't know any games that had octo-core support back in 2003, and especially from EA.


And if a game is stuttering but is locked at 25% CPU usage on an 8-core CPU, that means it was originally meant for dual core (50% load on 4-core CPU) but got split up by Windows, or the programmers screwed up something that caused the game to bottleneck itself.
Edited by A Bad Day - 5/18/13 at 9:06am
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Singlethread CPU performanse is not that important and there will be less and less important in the future.Processors are compared on general performance and price, take for example this processors in the same price range normally FX-6300 is much beter price/performance CPU no doubt. wink.gif

- FX-6300 vs i3 3220 or i3 3225

When it comes to new AMD Steamroller FX CPU, if his IPC is improved as AMD promised AMD does not need 5 Modules. Steamroller FX processor with 4 Modules(8 Threads) is quite sufficient, to be better than the i7 4770K in almost every Multithread CPU test no doubt. biggrin.gif

Please read this.
http://www.overclockers.ru/lab/53063_3/Vybor_optimalnogo_processora_stoimostju_170-350_dlya_igrovogo_PK.html#25

for things like Skyrim AMD is absolute garbage , a FX-8350 clocked at 4.7GHz is slower than a Core i5-2320 @ 3.6GHz


and here's Dragon Age Origins


These are very poorly threaded.
Edited by AlphaC - 5/18/13 at 10:01am
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The guys that bought SB-E when they first came out are sure getting their money's worth. I'll wait for more reviews, but it looks like this chip was made for the mobile crowd. Laptops are going to be awesome this year. In reality though, I don't mind. I'm almost NEVER cpu limited, especially in games.
 
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I am on a i7-950 x58 platform and would like some folk's take on upgrading to a 4770k that I was planning on which would need a new board, ram with a future to be GTX 780.

Well I was gonna upgrade when sandy came out - but didn't seem worth it. Then ivy came along and thought, no, not worth it. Now haswell is coming and still don't know what to do redface.gif

My main reason would be usb3 and lower power demands. But thinking is still worth it. My i7920 at 3.4 has still gotta a load life in her yet biggrin.gif

Oh boy decisions, decisions rolleyes.gif
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Well I was gonna upgrade when sandy came out - but didn't seem worth it. Then ivy came along and thought, no, not worth it. Now haswell is coming and still don't know what to do redface.gif

My main reason would be usb3 and lower power demands. But thinking is still worth it. My i7920 at 3.4 has still gotta a load life in her yet biggrin.gif

Oh boy decisions, decisions rolleyes.gif

Wait for broadwell, maybe there will be some jump in IPC...

Since Haswell is a flop in a way, hopefully Steamroller from AMD will be kick ass.
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Well I was gonna upgrade when sandy came out - but didn't seem worth it. Then ivy came along and thought, no, not worth it. Now haswell is coming and still don't know what to do redface.gif

My main reason would be usb3 and lower power demands. But thinking is still worth it. My i7920 at 3.4 has still gotta a load life in her yet biggrin.gif

Oh boy decisions, decisions rolleyes.gif

I've been on the same boat as you, and really haven't found a reason to upgrade.

The only reason I'm considering a 4770K is because I have to build a second rig, otherwise, I would ride out this 930 a bit longer. I run it at 4GHZ 24/7, and can easily hit 4.2. Clock your CPU to 4.0 GHZ or so.

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Please read this.
http://www.overclockers.ru/lab/53063_3/Vybor_optimalnogo_processora_stoimostju_170-350_dlya_igrovogo_PK.html#25

for things like Skyrim AMD is absolute garbage , a FX-8350 clocked at 4.7GHz is slower than a Core i5-2320 @ 3.6GHz


and here's Dragon Age Origins


These are very poorly threaded.

Counter:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2302954





There was also someone who noticed that when they did a video rendering while playing BF3, the game stuttered on the i5 3750K. When he switched over to a quad-module FX, the stuttering disappeared.
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Pretty much.

Haswell will be good if you don't use a dedicated graphics card like 0.1% of OCN members. For the other 99.9% of OCN people, Haswell will most likely be just an over priced (compared to a sub $200 3770K and $110 Z77 motherboard.

I'm glad I decided to just skip Haswell all together.

Wish 3770k were sub 200 in Europe frown.gif

Currently the ones with an iffy delivery time are 280 euro and the ones with 1 day shipping are 293 euro
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There was also someone who noticed that when they did a video rendering while playing BF3, the game stuttered on the i5 3750K. When he switched over to a quad-module FX, the stuttering disappeared.

Well I have an answer to that...

i5 3570k has 4 cores 8 threads while FX 8350 has 8 cores 8 threads thus when game is using 4 cores like Battlefield 3, you have 4 unused cores that can be put to use. I saw a video on youtube showing something similar with FX 8350.

This is the video showing advantage of AMD FX 8350 8 core:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYmQKlodYa4
(Notice, the guy has Radeon HD 5870 & waits for 8000/9000 series)

Extreme multitasking is a big plus for FX 8350... I doubt i7 3770k can do that.
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You're completely right because it's better to have N slow cores than N fast cores.... rolleyes.gif

That would make sense if FX 4000 series was priced to compete with Intel Quad. We can start a debate about what an AMD module is, but the fact remains it's closer to two cores than one since it has two integer units and basically a hyperthreaded FPU.
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Seems like everyone forgot about AVX2...

I know it's not relevant to most current software, but what about the programs that are able to take advantage of it? Intel claims that it should have something like a 2x improvement over AVX.

AVX2 is useless for games. See below, where Intel guys are throwing around Skyrim, a game that doesn't even use SSE and uses x87 instead. Just a reminder of how slow adoption of new instructions is, Intel has been telling everyone for the last 10+ years to stop using x87. And it's still getting used.
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Windows' Task Manager usually attempts to split up the load over as many cores as possible, which usually prevents turbo boost for poorly threaded games from kicking in.

It would be interesting to see if core parking Windows patch would help Intel CPUs @ stock, as it would stop things from bouncing around and let it turbo better.
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When I see Intel fans quoting Skyrim, Starcraft 2, League Of Legends, World of Warcraft and other games that use 2 or less cores then simply I have this to say:
--edited--

In this thread we basically have one person going "everyone is forgetting about AVX2!" and then another person going "hey, look how bad AMD is at running this game that uses x87 instead of SSE!" Haslel more than likely had the x87 guts ripped out of it, which is why x87 code shows regressions some times (all those Pi programs) or barely any improvement. I would imagine that Haswell Skyrim benchmarks would be one of the worst ones for Haswell.

It's a nice twist, the guys who run around stomping on the competition and showing Skyrim benchmarks are going to be throwing around a benchmark that's weakest on Intel's new micro-arch.
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I've been on the same boat as you, and really haven't found a reason to upgrade.

The only reason I'm considering a 4770K is because I have to build a second rig, otherwise, I would ride out this 930 a bit longer. I run it at 4GHZ 24/7, and can easily hit 4.2. Clock your CPU to 4.0 GHZ or so.


Wow, someone who isn't intoxicated on Intel Magic Marketing Fairy Dust. Intel sure managed to get people to think that Sandy Bridge was a massive jump over Nehalem by comparing 3.4ghz/3.8ghz 2600k to 2.66ghz/2.7ghz Nehalem. That nearly 30% clockspeed advantage for SB really made it look a lot better than it was.
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There was also someone who noticed that when they did a video rendering while playing BF3, the game stuttered on the i5 3750K. When he switched over to a quad-module FX, the stuttering disappeared.

People who are infatuated with single core performance remind me of those guys in the beginning of the dual core era that trash talked dual cores non-stop. Now we all pretty much have at least quads, because you need them.

The Intel guys who throw around old benchmarks are only hurting themselves, because the AMD guys respond with new games that are properly threaded and, to put it bluntly, are better programmed. They don't realize it yet but they're basically saying they don't care about new games, they only care about old games and that their chips are only meant for playing old, poorly optimized games.

My problem with this is that it encourages game developers to create lazy console ports, because it doesn't matter as PC guys will be happy with them.
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