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DDR4: Servers want it, and because it uses less power, it's great for smartphones. It's also a great timing for AMD's APUs, as DDR3 is too slow, and GDDR5 is likely going to be a less flexible approach (must be soldered and need additional CPU cache to compensate for higher memory latency).

Thunderbolt: Good idea, but to expensive to gain much market traction. Intel should've subsidized it, but they didn't, and now even Apple is starting to add USB3 ports to their laptops.

I don't think Haswell can use the same socket as Ivy Bridge. It's cheaper to not worry about socket compatibility. Intel can get away with it because AMD lacks a truly competitive product in the desktop area.

As for the more cores, Intel spent more silicon die for the IGP, and like any other companies, wants to cut expenses by reducing manufacturing costs. I think they're betting that Steamroller/Kaveri won't run over their Haswell.
ddr4: in this era of everything going green that would've been a great gimmick to use to sell haswell. i use the phenom II x4 365 which is a 130W cpu and always using power consumption as an excuse to upgrade. (i'm upgrading my monitors one by one with LED monitors).
but 4770k uses 84W compared to Ivy's 77W.. smh

socket: my bad.. i thought they used the same socket.
    
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but 4770k uses 84W compared to Ivy's 77W.. smh

socket: my bad.. i thought they used the same socket.

TDP isn't the same as power draw though. The increased TDP is probably because if the iVR being on chip, which moved that heat from the motherboard to the CPU. Actual power use should be down compared to Ivy.

Edit: man, phone autocorrect really screws up posts sometimes.
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show me numbers...
    
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so when is steamroller out? biggrin.gif wanted go haswell but now meh mad.gif
    
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so when is steamroller out? biggrin.gif wanted go haswell but now meh mad.gif

Steamroller for FM2/FM2+ in the form of Kaveri is due to be out at the end of 2013. Steamroller for AM3+ is early 2014.
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well we can always go 2011 rolleyes.gif
    
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TDP isn't the same as power draw though. The increased TDP is probably because if the iVR being on chip, which moved that heat from the motherboard to the CPU. Actual power use should be down compared to Ivy.

Edit: man, phone autocorrect really screws up posts sometimes.

Anyone see any numbers of haswell full system power draw compared to ivy/sandy?
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Anyone see any numbers of haswell full system power draw compared to ivy/sandy?

Yea I have seen it in comparison to 3770k, can't remember where so I don't have a source but, it was lower by 10-15 watts at idle (total system draw) and 5-10W more at load (again total system draw) IIRC.
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My 3770K does 4.5Ghz @ 1.2v
Thats the equivalent of a 2700k @ 4.7Ghz
Ivy Bridge was a better improvement over Sandy, because Ivy was a Tick, Haswell is a Tock. Merely a refinement, a small one at that.
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No need to upgrade from 3770k unless you have any real need from the 4770k's iGPU.
The majority of owners will be using a discrete GPU so lets not give into this Tock release.

Nothing to see here...........

The majority of owners which play games will be using a discrete GPU, those ones don`t and not owning at least a sandybridge will upgrade to haswell cause has better GPU. You don`t know how many didnt`t play games. Some watch movies and some do video and photo editing, so, no needing for a discrete GPU.
Edited by sorance2000 - 5/19/13 at 3:53am
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Absolutely stunned.

Still not upgrading my 2600K. No point at all.
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