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There's a difference between going from 3.3 GHz to 4.1 GHz, and 5.2 to 6.

One requires at least a quality aftermarket air cooler or closed water loop. The other requires thermoelectric cooling, or a super-golden silicon with extreme watercooling and no fluctuations in the voltage level, or an Alaskan winter.
LOL What voltage fluctuations? Not on Intel's watch – the new iVR has a maximum ripple of 2mV.
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LOL What voltage fluctuations? Not on Intel's watch – the new iVR has a maximum ripple of 2mV.

30mv +/- on 12V line from the PSU.
Edited by A Bad Day - 5/19/13 at 11:17am
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"The step from Ivy to Haswell makes one thing clear to me for the tower I want to build this fall/winter... If I go Intel, it'll be an IB and likely a 3770K. But if Steamroller proves to be a legit jump closer to Intel performance, especially in single-threaded task performance and memory controls, then it'll be a much cheaper to upgrade my current tower and stick with AMD, and I will."

If AMD Steamroller will show about 30% IPC improvment they would charge it much more than for Piledriver, as price, much closer to Haswell than Piledriver is to Ivy.
I was hoping haswell will bring ivy's prices down but I dont think it would by much. "steamroller" will. Infact steamroller will beat haswell and sandy. And I think that Intel purposely re released ivy with minor improvements in the name of haswell for amd to catch up as part of their strategy/antitrust settlement with amd.
Intel can afford to do all this since they are way ahead of amd and concentrate on their next release after haswell which as usual will knock amd off the frame.

Its the usual cycle/ game they have been playing.

Edit: steamroller will drive ivy and haswell prices down and thats when ill jump onto either ivy or haswell. I dont see any real need for me to get anything better than ivy. It would be nice to get haswell so that I could the same mb with broadwell.
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Steamroller beating Haswell is a very bold claim indeed
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I think I'll stick with my 3770k until intel decides that they need to step it up and makes a chip actually worth upgrading too.
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Steamroller beating Haswell is a very bold claim indeed

Given that Haswell has relatively minor improvements over Ivy Bridge in raw CPU performance... It's a desktop game that only AMD can lose, until Broadwell or Skylake.

Though I'd say it's still a bold bet, until we know more about Steamroller in the fall.
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Given that Haswell has relatively minor improvements over Ivy Bridge in raw CPU performance... It's a desktop game that only AMD can lose, until Broadwell or Skylake.

Though I'd say it's still a bold bet, until we know more about Steamroller in the fall.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see AMD put pressure on Intel. I'm just aware of the performance claims made before Bulldozers release.

As you say, it's AMDs game to lose
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I was hoping haswell will bring ivy's prices down but I dont think it would by much. "steamroller" will. Infact steamroller will beat haswell and sandy. And I think that Intel purposely re released ivy with minor improvements in the name of haswell for amd to catch up as part of their strategy/antitrust settlement with amd.
Intel can afford to do all this since they are way ahead of amd and concentrate on their next release after haswell which as usual will knock amd off the frame.

Its the usual cycle/ game they have been playing.

Edit: steamroller will drive ivy and haswell prices down and thats when ill jump onto either ivy or haswell. I dont see any real need for me to get anything better than ivy. It would be nice to get haswell so that I could the same mb with broadwell.

I am fairly sure that AMD will price Steamroller such that it will beat out Intel in price/performance, but just barely, and not enough to make Intel lower prices.
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I am fairly sure that AMD will price Steamroller such that it will beat out Intel in price/performance, but just barely, and not enough to make Intel lower prices.

In fairness to AMD, they already do that quite successfully. Unfortunately for them, places like OCN err towards outright performance.

I've built quite a few PCs for family where they only want to browse the internet and update FB, for the cost, AMD is very difficult to beat
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Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see AMD put pressure on Intel. I'm just aware of the performance claims made before Bulldozers release.

As you say, it's AMDs game to lose

Welcome to the club. We've all be tricked at one point or another.

Intel: Netburst is awesome because of its high clock rate! (Not)

Nividia: Fermi will be ground breaking! (Mini-oven)

AMD: Bulldozer will bulldoze the competition! (Not)

North Korea: We will destroy the Unites States! (Aww... How cute!)
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