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30mv +/- on 12V line from the PSU.
Intel has a new yet to be published spec for that. None issue for the CPU.
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rofl

Not sure what's funny, but AMD (and ARM) is/are all that stands between us and $500 mid-range CPUs. Intel is a GREAT company, and provide nearly perfect complete platforms. However if left alone they would become a monster.

I really, really, REALLY want Steamroller to be something special, and sincerely hope it is, 'cause it'll keep intel honest.


I'm totally satisfied with my 3570k at the moment and think my next intel build will be post Haswell, perhaps post Broadwell.
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The only thing intel needs to do to stomp amd into the trash can is to strap more core and lower prices. They can do it, they can afford it but it would be unnecessary because they can milk consumer and still be in complete control of the market.
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When something is incompatible it flat out won't run.Is there such a game when it comes to AMD cpus?ATi cards had incompatibilities with some late 90's games around 10-12 years ago. Poor optimization is something else.

You're thinking of complete or total incompatibilities. A basic incompatibility is a bug specific to that piece of hardware. Most if not all were fixed but they did take some time to do so. On the other hand I never experienced this with Intel.
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Although so many leaks seem to confirm the same pattern for haswell performance wise, id still wait for the NDA to be up and legit benchmarks to come. Doubt they will change, as Intel needs to redesign their core architecture for more performance and right now they have no competition to do that.
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You guys over-estimating things. Even if Steamroller does beat Haswell, Intel won't lower their prices by much, because they know AMD and Global Foundaries couldn't make chips fast enough to meet demand. That's happened in the past.

However the link with the different versions of Crysis 3 was interesting. It looks like there are some optimizations to be had that benefit Intel.

But I think until AMD improves single thread performance they will always have times when games get hung up running on one or two cores even if they can use 4+ at times. That's been my experience and it usually shows when comparing minimum and average frame rates between AMD and Intel. However if AMD caps out much lower and it has the same average, it's more than likely capping out a lot higher as well (but I have no proof of this, only going on math).

Intel is just like Nvidia, they can offer worse performance, or even worse price and performance and still out-sell AMD. AMD has a massive image problem and the company has been beaten down so hard from constant FUD attacks that FUD is so engrained it people's minds that they can't escape.

I've gotten a few people who were die hard Intel + Nvidia to at least go AMD graphics, and they've pretty much all either been just as happy or liked it more. The conversations usually go "Wow, I expected to have constant driver problems all the time!" or something like that.

But I bring this up because it's a part of AMD's public image, and Intel and Nvidia's prices, performance, and combination of those are all affected by AMD's image.

It reminds me somewhat of Cowon vs iPod back in the day. A Cowon A3 completely obliterated everything about an iPod. Yet no one knew what they were or even wanted to buy them (at least in the West AFAIK) and everyone flocked to iPod.
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You guys over-estimating things. Even if Steamroller does beat Haswell, Intel won't lower their prices by much, because they know AMD and Global Foundaries couldn't make chips fast enough to meet demand. That's happened in the past.

However the link with the different versions of Crysis 3 was interesting. It looks like there are some optimizations to be had that benefit Intel.

But I think until AMD improves single thread performance they will always have times when games get hung up running on one or two cores even if they can use 4+ at times. That's been my experience and it usually shows when comparing minimum and average frame rates between AMD and Intel. However if AMD caps out much lower and it has the same average, it's more than likely capping out a lot higher as well (but I have no proof of this, only going on math).

Intel is just like Nvidia, they can offer worse performance, or even worse price and performance and still out-sell AMD. AMD has a massive image problem and the company has been beaten down so hard from constant FUD attacks that FUD is so engrained it people's minds that they can't escape.

I've gotten a few people who were die hard Intel + Nvidia to at least go AMD graphics, and they've pretty much all either been just as happy or liked it more. The conversations usually go "Wow, I expected to have constant driver problems all the time!" or something like that.

But I bring this up because it's a part of AMD's public image, and Intel and Nvidia's prices, performance, and combination of those are all affected by AMD's image.

It reminds me somewhat of Cowon vs iPod back in the day. A Cowon A3 completely obliterated everything about an iPod. Yet no one knew what they were or even wanted to buy them (at least in the West AFAIK) and everyone flocked to iPod.
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There are a lot of 2600k's doing 5-5.2ghz. Another 800mhz isn't that beyond the realm of possibilities. I agree that the early news has been bad but the real key, for me at least, is whether the additional OC options can actually deliver on the gains some of the Intel guys have hinted at on reddit and elsewhere.

Sandybridge had metal solder between die and the heatspreader, Ivy switched to TIM. It seems the gap between die and heatspreader is much harder to overcome for TIM when compared to solder:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34053183&postcount=570

So unless Haswell has found a different way other than adhesive to affix the heatspreader (unlikely), don't expect amazing OC without delidding.
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Well, Haswell may not be much and it's so called improvements may dissapoint but my 920 C0 is getting old as well as X58 being long in the tooth as well. I built this machine more or less in late 2008 and it's served me well and continues to do so.

However, I figure with all the incremental IPC increases since then, it should be a pretty nice bump, plus going to Z87 with everything that entails to update what is an aging platform (X58 with USB 2, PCI Express 2, Sata II,etc) it should be a nice overall upgrade and allow me to scratch an itch I've been aching to scratch since 2008. I don't think I can avoid buying Haswell this time. You can get caught in a cycle where you keep waiting for the next big thing, because something better is always around the corner. I figure I'll get this and then Haswell-E in 2015.
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When I think of issues with AMD, FUD isn't one of them. They have a plethora of real problems, FUD isn't necessary.
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