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When I think of issues with AMD, FUD isn't one of them. They have a plethora of real problems, FUD isn't necessary.

It's not necessary, however even if AMD rectifies their problems and ends up executing perfectly they're still going to have to fight:

1. Perception as value brand
2. Perception as horrible drivers
3. Perception of going out of business
4. Biased benchmark suits.

I'm sure theres more, but the point I'm trying to make is that Nvidia and Intel have clearly superior marketing and advertising resources and it's had a horrible effect on AMD, to the point that if AMD does come out with a superior product they can't beat Intel .

Observe what happened with Athlon vs Netburst. It was a slaughter, yet Intel still raked in cash and held onto market share extremely well.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html

Even at AMD's peak, it didn't get more marketshare than Intel. Intel knows this and it knows it can overcharge for mediocre increases and people will buy it up.
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It's not necessary, however even if AMD rectifies their problems and ends up executing perfectly they're still going to have to fight:

1. Perception as value brand
2. Perception as horrible drivers
3. Perception of going out of business
4. Biased benchmark suits.

I'm sure theres more, but the point I'm trying to make is that Nvidia and Intel have clearly superior marketing and advertising resources and it's had a horrible effect on AMD, to the point that if AMD does come out with a superior product they can't beat Intel .

Observe what happened with Athlon vs Netburst. It was a slaughter, yet Intel still raked in cash and held onto market share extremely well.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html

Even at AMD's peak, it didn't get more marketshare than Intel. Intel knows this and it knows it can overcharge for mediocre increases and people will buy it up.

Once an brand image is soiled, it is near impossible to clean off all the dirt.
    
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Watching fanboys get worked up over this release is an endless source of entrainment.
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Watching fanboys get worked up over this release is an endless source of entrainment.

I haven't really seen any of that. Just tech fans discussing the ramifications of the Haswell benchmarks. Lets keep the hyperbole to a low simmer eh?laugher.gif
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riot police aka admins on standby. it's about to get ugly...
Ah yes, most of my Rep is on posts that don't exist anymore.

On topic, I really fear for the state of our community without AMD scaring Intel into not being Intel.

Remember folks, if it wasn't for the Athlon 64, we'd all be using Pentium 5's at 3.8 GHz with a 180W TDP.
post #237 of 352
Intel may be the market leader but they clearly cant continue to increase IGP size and slightly bump the frequency forever. Its just creating products that no one really wants. They will have to redesign sooner rather than later, in the mean time I'd rather go with AMD who seems to be improving at a much better speed than intel.
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Remember folks, if it wasn't for the Athlon 64, we'd all be using Pentium 5's at 3.8 GHz with a 180W TDP.

Yep.

Without A64, I wonder how long intel would of gone with Netburst...
post #239 of 352
Intel has been arrogant with these ivy and haswell releases. They've slowed down for amd to catch up but amd just cant do it. but if intel ges full throttle on amd its just more problems with the ftc.
I dont keep up with cpus anymore but I dont see or hear anything exciting coming from amd. With amd its like walking into radioshack; hardly anyone there and you wonder how they stay in business... even if they couldn't compete against intel they should be in the phone market... but nada.
    
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man i couldn't be more underwhelmed by Haswell. I mean at least I don't have to deal with buyer's remorse from buying an Ivy i5 just five months ago, because I do hate the feeling of the next generation blowing away my current hardware that I dropped a lot of money on less than half a year ago, but MY GOD has Intel gotten lazy, and I don't think they'll be able to continue getting away with overpricing their CPUs so much for much longer. I thought we'd finally see more than four cores in the Core i3/5/7 series by now but I'm skeptical we will see them for even Broadwell.

The jump from Sandy to Ivy was small enough. This is an even smaller jump. The sad thing is that AMD has gotten so far behind that they are taking focus away from the custom enthusiast socket CPUs and putting much more focus into things like the next-gen consoles and mobile platforms so there will be even LESS competition and Intel will continue to get even LAZIER.
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