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Ah yes, most of my Rep is on posts that don't exist anymore.

On topic, I really fear for the state of our community without AMD scaring Intel into not being Intel.

Remember folks, if it wasn't for the Athlon 64, we'd all be using Pentium 5's at 3.8 GHz with a 180W TDP.

Still using one now and thank god for Amd - we would all be in right ole pickle now if it was Intel only thumb.gif
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Ah yes, most of my Rep is on posts that don't exist anymore.

On topic, I really fear for the state of our community without AMD scaring Intel into not being Intel.

Remember folks, if it wasn't for the Athlon 64, we'd all be using Pentium 5's at 3.8 GHz with a 180W TDP.

Very true all the more reason to hope for Steamroller's success. If they could even manage within 15% of single threaded performance of Sandy Bridge, i'd be stoked. At least their foot would be back in the door competition wise.

Anyhow seems if your coming from Nehalem or there before Haswell is a good upgrade..for existing users on SB/IB :/ though still waiting for official OC results.
Edited by Blackops_2 - 5/21/13 at 12:06am
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Very true all the more reason to hope for Steamrollers success. If they could even manage within 15% of single threaded performance of Sandy Bridge, i'd be stoked.

Anyhow seems if your coming from Nehalem or there before Haswell is a good upgrade..for existing users :/

Considering the cost of going Haswell vs going SB/IB and the fact that Intel has minimal to no upgrade paths in any segment, I'm not so sure Haswell is much of a worthwhile buy to anyone really. Informed people can get similar to better performance for cheaper, with older hardware. This feels like its more aimed at OEM purchasers who will buy anything with a new model number on it, like rebranded GPU's just for the sake of an "upgrade".

Although Intel obviously didn't go backwards and do some pretty bad stuff, it feels very similar to the BD/PII situations. Whereas if you were using Athlon 64 or Phenom I, BD was a more expensive upgrade over PII without providing much, if any, benefit in performance. Same is true here. If your on a core series CPU, I just can't justify telling sum1 Haswell would be a "worthwhile" investment when you can still easily find SB and IB hardware in abundance for cheaper. It's just not something I can sell to people.

"Wanna pay more for the same?" Not gonna get a great response.

"Wanna pay less and have the same?" usually gets people interested though...

So yea... waiting for official benches and such, but it aint looking so great right now...
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Counter:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2302954




There was also someone who noticed that when they did a video rendering while playing BF3, the game stuttered on the i5 3750K. When he switched over to a quad-module FX, the stuttering disappeared.


Bahh, countering with a game where the AMD 8 core is clocked at 4Ghz while the Intel's are at 3.4 and 3.5Ghz at the most is just nonsense. Put all CPU's at 4.5Ghz and we will see who comes out ahead and by what margin.

The 2500K alone which is a 2.5 year old i5 will destroy an 8350 in any game when having both CPU's at the same exact clock. Under-clock that 8350 to 3.3Ghz and watch how it drops from 3rd to 10th place on that list. Lets compare apples to apples.

AMD needs a rabit.
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Considering the cost of going Haswell vs going SB/IB and the fact that Intel has minimal to no upgrade paths in any segment, I'm not so sure Haswell is much of a worthwhile buy to anyone really. Informed people can get similar to better performance for cheaper, with older hardware. This feels like its more aimed at OEM purchasers who will buy anything with a new model number on it, like rebranded GPU's just for the sake of an "upgrade".

Although Intel obviously didn't go backwards and do some pretty bad stuff, it feels very similar to the BD/PII situations. Whereas if you were using Athlon 64 or Phenom I, BD was a more expensive upgrade over PII without providing much, if any, benefit in performance. Same is true here. If your on a core series CPU, I just can't justify telling sum1 Haswell would be a "worthwhile" investment when you can still easily find SB and IB hardware in abundance for cheaper. It's just not something I can sell to people.

"Wanna pay more for the same?" Not gonna get a great response.

"Wanna pay less and have the same?" usually gets people interested though...

So yea... waiting for official benches and such, but it aint looking so great right now...

Most people don't upgrade computers, they just buy new ones.
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Bahh, countering with a game where the AMD 8 core is clocked at 4Ghz while the Intel's are at 3.4 and 3.5Ghz at the most is just nonsense. Put all CPU's at 4.5Ghz and we will see who comes out ahead and by what margin.

The 2500K alone which is a 2.5 year old i5 will destroy an 8350 in any game when having both CPU's at the same exact clock. Under-clock that 8350 to 3.3Ghz and watch how it drops from 3rd to 10th place on that list. Lets compare apples to apples.

AMD needs a rabit.

Both CPUs are at stock, it's a perfectly fair comparison.
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Considering the cost of going Haswell vs going SB/IB and the fact that Intel has minimal to no upgrade paths in any segment, I'm not so sure Haswell is much of a worthwhile buy to anyone really. Informed people can get similar to better performance for cheaper, with older hardware. This feels like its more aimed at OEM purchasers who will buy anything with a new model number on it, like rebranded GPU's just for the sake of an "upgrade".

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"Wanna pay more for the same?" Not gonna get a great response.

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So yea... waiting for official benches and such, but it aint looking so great right now...

like... nvidia user?
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Both CPUs are at stock, it's a perfectly fair comparison.

...and Intel cpus are operating at 3.5 (2500k) and 3.6Ghz(2600k) anyway thanks to turbo. AMD ones are pushed to TDP max at stock and operate at nominal frequencies.
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Am I right in assuming haswell cpu will not work in socket 1155?
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...and Intel cpus are operating at 3.5 (2500k) and 3.6Ghz(2600k) anyway thanks to turbo. AMD ones are pushed to TDP max at stock and operate at nominal frequencies.

What the hell are you talking about? The 8350's stock frequency is 4.0 ghz, its turbo frequency is 4.2. Point is, systems are stock, the performance shown is what users get if they don't overclock (which the majority of people don't).
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Am I right in assuming haswell cpu will not work in socket 1155?

Yes.
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What the hell are you talking about? The 8350's stock frequency is 4.0 ghz, its turbo frequency is 4.2. Point is, systems are stock, the performance shown is what users get if they don't overclock (which the majority of people don't).

FX-8350 can turbo to 4.2 but in real world it only happens under strictly single threaded loads. Fire up an application that occupies 3 threads or more and it will remain at flat 4ghz, due to TDP limitations. Intel processors can even turbo boost a full 400mhz on one thread and generally game at 200-300mhz above nominal frequency while at STOCK. In fully threaded games like BF3 and crysis 3, FX-8350 operates at 4Ghz while an I7-3770k operates at 3.7Ghz.

Jump to 1:08 and 2:00 respectively.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFcMRtq1zGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch0mR4Evu8I

In all gaming reviews done with stock processors, intel cpus always operate at higher clocks than the nominal (unless reviewers are locking them down at a particular frequency/removing turbo but that isn't stock anymore).
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