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Ah yes, most of my Rep is on posts that don't exist anymore.

On topic, I really fear for the state of our community without AMD scaring Intel into not being Intel.

Remember folks, if it wasn't for the Athlon 64, we'd all be using Pentium 5's at 3.8 GHz with a 180W TDP.

But... But... But...

I would've made a fortune with Intel's stocks!...

And then lost it all when Intel attempts to pit their Netburst against ARM...
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FX-8350 can turbo to 4.2 but in real world it only happens under strictly single threaded loads. Fire up an application that occupies 3 threads or more and it will remain at flat 4ghz, due to TDP limitations. Intel processors can even turbo boost a full 400mhz on one thread and generally game at 200-300mhz above nominal frequency while at STOCK. In fully threaded games like BF3 and crysis 3, FX-8350 operates at 4Ghz while an I7-3770k operates at 3.7Ghz.

Jump to 1:08 and 2:00 respectively.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFcMRtq1zGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch0mR4Evu8I

In all gaming reviews done with stock processors, intel cpus always operate at higher clocks than the nominal (unless reviewers are locking them down at a particular frequency/removing turbo but that isn't stock anymore).
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Most people don't upgrade computers, they just buy new ones.
Both CPUs are at stock, it's a perfectly fair comparison.

1) Thats why I said it only makes sense to OEMs, cause consumers buying computers from Dell, HP, Etc. just see thats its new and expect to pay more. Sadly they are gonna be getting ripped off pretty badly.

2) Though not a reply to me, I agree and was gonna reply to that guy with the same. You beat me to it. AMD and Intel use different archs, and are on different manufacturing nodes. You can't simply take 2 CPU's with completely different designs (from an x86-64 standpoint) and clock them the same for a "fair" comparison. At that point, your doing something very stupid and biased. Your claiming leaving all CPU's @ stock, the way they come out of package, is unfair and that a higher clocked CPU should be downclocked to compare... I guess he thinks you need to run an i7 at i3 # of cores and clock speed to compare those as well right? Need to disable modules to compare an 8350 to a 6300? rolleyes.gif Silly statements needed to combat a silly guys arguments.
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FX-8350 can turbo to 4.2 but in real world it only happens under strictly single threaded loads. Fire up an application that occupies 3 threads or more and it will remain at flat 4ghz, due to TDP limitations. Intel processors can even turbo boost a full 400mhz on one thread and generally game at 200-300mhz above nominal frequency while at STOCK. In fully threaded games like BF3 and crysis 3, FX-8350 operates at 4Ghz while an I7-3770k operates at 3.7Ghz.

Jump to 1:08 and 2:00 respectively.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFcMRtq1zGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch0mR4Evu8I

In all gaming reviews done with stock processors, intel cpus always operate at higher clocks than the nominal (unless reviewers are locking them down at a particular frequency/removing turbo but that isn't stock anymore).

What is the point you're trying to make then?

It's still stock settings, and what people are going to experience that don't tinker with their systems. It doesn't matter if Intel can boost higher than AMD, a completely stock comparison is perfectly valid.
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What is the point you're trying to make then?

It's still stock settings, and what people are going to experience that don't tinker with their systems. It doesn't matter if Intel can boost higher than AMD, a completely stock comparison is perfectly valid.

I agree that compairing at stock has to be the starting point of every such test (and arguably the most important metric). My post begun as an answer to the guy that asked for the SB crew to be clocked as high as the piledriver ,thinking that the i7-2600k operates a full 600Mhz lower (which isn't accurate). I have posted this before, the point I try to make is that the delta of gaming frequencies between SB/IB and PD isn't as big as people think. It can be read as a praise to Intel (very effective turbo) or AMD (the difference at same clocks is smaller than perceived) but it is neither. I just state a fact that is overlooked more often than not.
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Why are stock settings even being brought up here? This is overclock.net ffs. Haswell looks bad for desktop users so far (talking about SB and up). I hope applications start using more cores and Intel gives us more cores.

Also, like many others have said: Turbo is just smart marketing from Intel. I mean when comparing SB and IB without turbo the difference is more minimal. Why would enthusiast like us compare SB stock with turbo to Ivy stock with turbo? I personally care about advances companies bring that help us (the enthusiast).
Edited by themasterpiece1 - 5/21/13 at 11:55am
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Why tinker with clock rates? Shouldn't it be performance per watt/price?

AMD said that they implemented Clock Gate Mesh technology, which allows them to increase the clock rate without increasing power consumption.


IPC and clock rates don't matter. Instructions Per Seconds is what we should be using instead of IPC.
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What is the point you're trying to make then?

It's still stock settings, and what people are going to experience that don't tinker with their systems. It doesn't matter if Intel can boost higher than AMD, a completely stock comparison is perfectly valid.

Stop defending a moot point, you are posting in OCN, a website where the vast majority of the users are OVERCLOCKING their respective systems. So yes that's the point you need to understand, if you buy a 2500K/3570K or an FX-3850 chances of you pushing the CPU to it's limits are VERY high. The majority of users that buy unlocked CPU's are going to overclock, people that don't overclock don't need unlocked CPU's, therefore they can buy a locked version of the CPU for less.

Nobody is saying that the 8350 is a bad CPU or a slow CPU, just pointing out that if you are going to compare CPU's make sure you even the table by having all CPU's at the same frequency to get the most accurate comparison.
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Why are stock settings even being brought up here? This is overclock.net ffs. Haswell looks bad for desktop users so far (talking about SB and up). I hope applications start using more cores and Intel gives us more cores.

Also, like many others have said: Turbo is just smart marketing from Intel. I mean when comparing SB and IB without turbo the difference is more minimal. Why would enthusiast like us compare SB stock with turbo to Ivy stock with turbo? I personally care about advances companies bring that help us (the enthusiast).

Because not everyone here has an overclockers-enthusiast only mindset. Many people don't overclock due to the need for stability in mission critical equipment. Others don't overclock simply because they don't believe in it. Others don't overclock because the computers being built are for family members or client who don't know what to do should an overclock fail. Yet others underclock/undervolt to get a more power efficient system.

Just because you have no use for the information doesn't mean its irrelevant to others.
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Stop defending a moot point, you are posting in OCN, a website where the vast majority of the users are OVERCLOCKING their respective systems. So yes that's the point you need to understand, if you buy a 2500K/3570K or an FX-3850 chances of you pushing the CPU to it's limits are VERY high. The majority of users that buy unlocked CPU's are going to overclock, people that don't overclock don't need unlocked CPU's, therefore they can buy a locked version of the CPU for less.

Nobody is saying that the 8350 is a bad CPU or a slow CPU, just pointing out that if you are going to compare CPU's make sure you even the table by having all CPU's at the same frequency to get the most accurate comparison.

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There's only two comparisons to make.

Stock vs stock, and max overclock vs max overclock on different cooling. Same clock vs same clock is absolutely USELESS unless max overclocks are the same.
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Because not everyone here has an overclockers-enthusiast only mindset. Many people don't overclock due to the need for stability in mission critical equipment. Others don't overclock simply because they don't believe in it. Others don't overclock because the computers being built are for family members or client who don't know what to do should an overclock fail. Yet others underclock/undervolt to get a more power efficient system.

Just because you have no use for the information doesn't mean its irrelevant to others.

I never said it was irrelevant for others as I understand that there are users here don't overclock but the majority of them that buy high end unlocked CPU's do overclock, especially on this website.

Nobody buys an FX-8350 specifically for under volting, lets be real here.

Unlocked CPU's are meant for overclocking purposes and that's the bottom line. Nobody is obligated to overclock them, but the majority of them do.

Read a few hundred/thousand reviews if you are still in doubt.
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