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post #261 of 352
Same clock vs same clock is actually a bad idea, it punishes architectural designs that are more high clock rate friendly.
post #262 of 352
There are a lot of different comparisons that matter. For example, the instructions per second in the following scenarios:
Stock vs stock
24/7 safe OC on stock cooler
24/7 safe OC on the same midrange air cooler
24/7 safe OC on a high end air cooler
24/7 safe OC on custom loop.
24/7 safe OC on phase change.
max clock for X power draw.
etc.
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I think the best way to compare cpu is to compare then on the same cpu cooler and get the the average max oc on both. You kinda need alot of date to find it but once can guess within 100 MHz that frequency. Comparing both stock cpu seems pointless because you are comparing top end cpu unlocked to overclock.
post #264 of 352
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Originally Posted by Maiky View Post

I never said it was irrelevant for others as I understand that there are users here don't overclock but the majority of them that buy high end unlocked CPU's do overclock, especially on this website.

Nobody buys an FX-8350 specifically for under volting, lets be real here.

Unlocked CPU's are meant for overclocking purposes and that's the bottom line. Nobody is obligated to overclock them, but the majority of them do.

Read a few hundred/thousand reviews if you are still in doubt.

And we also often make purchasing decisions for our non-techy relatives as well, and for that stock comparisons are important. And what if you want the fastest model stock? The fastest model stock is always the unlocked one, so if you're trying to build the fastest you can for a family member, you're buying an unlocked model for a non-overclocking purpose.

Also, all AMD FX processors are unlocked. Are you suggesting that if you want to buy AMD for a non-overclocking purpose, you need to go to a locked A10 processor even though you want 8 cores? You need to be realistic.

Also, the reviews of the enthusiast/techy community is not a reflection of the real world population. 3930ks are often bought for workstation purposes where they are not overclocked. Same with the 3960x.

Edit: just to reiterate. Clock for clock comparisons are both useless and stupid. Stock comparisons are not useless, and are informative even for enthusiasts. That's why benchmarks are run both at stock settings and overclocked settings.
Edited by Tsumi - 5/21/13 at 2:15pm
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why people discusing that 1.1 crysis 3 benchmark? Someone already posted updated 1.3 were 3770k destroys the 8350 and 3570k.

again then: http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Crysis-3-PC-235317/Tests/Crysis-3-CPU-Test-1068140/
post #266 of 352
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why people discusing that 1.1 crysis 3 benchmark? Someone already posted updated 1.3 were 3770k destroys the 8350 and 3570k.

again then: http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Crysis-3-PC-235317/Tests/Crysis-3-CPU-Test-1068140/
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Core i7-3770K        56,7 Avg-Fps    51,3 Avg-Fps    74,9 Avg-Fps
FX-8350 58,6 Avg-Fps    58,7 Avg-Fps    57,4 Avg-Fps
Core i5-3570K   50,5 Avg-Fps    52,6 Avg-Fps    54,7 Avg-Fps
FX-6300 46,4 Avg-Fps    46,3 Avg-Fps    45,1 Avg-Fps

From what I see here, it looks like they didn't thought there would be cores without execution units, and two threads were scheduled on single core. (Or they created more worker threads than real cores.) Then they started to test for real cores, and reduced number of workers thread to 4.which allowed i7 to speed up. The difference between two patches should result in 61.4156435644 FPS on i7 in patch 1.3. It doesn't look like the difference is because of HT, because there would be MASSIVE difference between FX-6300 and FX-8350. Current difference is only difference in clocks. I suspect larger L3 cache of i7. Games are often sensitive on size of L3 cache.

When you look at data, you'd see AMD CPUs were slowed down in 1.3 patch. I guess they simply forgot to apply AMD limiter...
post #267 of 352
Processing power is a bit of meh!
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Why tinker with clock rates? Shouldn't it be performance per watt/price?

AMD said that they implemented Clock Gate Mesh technology, which allows them to increase the clock rate without increasing power consumption.


IPC and clock rates don't matter. Instructions Per Seconds is what we should be using instead of IPC.

TO overclockers what matters most is the overclocking capability of a certain chip.
Being a unlocked chip it is targeted towards overclockers and enthusiast community who doesn't bother too much about poer consumption or graphical capabilities of iGPU.
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TO overclockers what matters most is the overclocking capability of a certain chip.
Being a unlocked chip it is targeted towards overclockers and enthusiast community who doesn't bother too much about poer consumption or graphical capabilities of iGPU.

Performance per watt is becoming an increasingly important factor in the enthusiast community. Even if it wasn't, performance per watt is an important part of overclocking, because higher performance per watt usually means less cooling needed to reach a certain performance, and higher max performance.
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Wonder how long until Intel officially abandons the tick-tock deal, sandy/ivy/haswell iirc don't have much difference in the cpu arch (aside from sandy-->ivy 3D transistor which was mostly a power savings/die space savings vs performance). Only the iGPU arch is significantly different between the three
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