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According to that graph it does but my numbers suggest otherwise. Even if those numbers were correct 160W's is not a reason to solely upgrade to haswell.

Especially when you look at this graph

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Because games don't fully stress out GPUs or a CPU, especially games that don't take advantage of all the threads.

Regardless, the power savings is not as insignificant as you're making it out to be. Especially when the 3770k can clock higher using less power, it would need even less power to do the same work at the same clocks.
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Still waiting for that "Stellar Deal"......

I will always look back at the i5-750 I picked up for $150.00 as a comparison...

MAKE ME WANT TO UPGRADE INTEL OR STAY HOME LIKE AMD!
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Still waiting for that "Stellar Deal"......

I will always look back at the i5-750 I picked up for $150.00 as a comparison...

MAKE ME WANT TO UPGRADE INTEL OR STAY HOME LIKE AMD!

A 3570k can be had for $170 on MC and is a considerable upgrade over the i5 750.
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You think Ivy uses 130W at 4.6Ghz? lachen.gif Its not even close
Ivy has static power consumption 37 W at 1.3 V. If these chips are not heavily overvolted, they have 100W on 4.4 GHz, and 150 at 4.8GHz. Of course the voltage to get it to 4.8 is rather drastic.
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Under cinebench at 4.4Ghz i'm pulling 444w according to my Killawatt.
You have 45 nm CPU. Ivy is 22 nm. (Also run Prime and don't touch GFX cards when you wanna test how much CPU power draw you have.)

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And it's funny. a 4.5Ghz i5 3570k cannot max out Sins of a Solar Empire...from 2008. It literally still lags when you've got big battles going.
That's completely common for heavy CPU using games. Does it scale well for 6-cores?
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It can, 1.3 fixed HT so now the i7 3770k can use its extra threads...

Actually, it doesn't look like they fixed it by using more threads. When you look at i5 data the patch was: 50,5 -> 52,6 -> 54,7. When you look at AMD data it was: 58,6 -> 58,7 -> 57,4. When you look at i7 they DECREASED speed in patch 1.1. Which looks like there was a serious problem somewhere (probably resource starvation of network threads). Strangely i5 speed improved.
Then they released patch 1.3. It looks like they reduced number of heavy work threads, which gave breathing room to other low resource consuming stuff, thus it actually had CPU time to work in parallel.
If they added more threads, there would be massive increase in the FX-8300 speed, however the FX-8300 actually slowed down.

Speed up is 1.32098765432 between 1.0 and 1.3 patch. Normalized speed up is 1.21955898616. Which suggest they were forced to create a special case for a HT CPU, to prevent HT messing with stuff. (Which actually kills abstraction, and create unnecessary complications in pipeline.)
DDR3 1066 - 2666 ? Is that memory controller certified for that, or is it just marketing term?
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That's completely common for heavy CPU using games. Does it scale well for 6-cores?

Nope, it uses 1 core or 50% of two cores depending on which versions of Windows I use.
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Actually, it doesn't look like they fixed it by using more threads. When you look at i5 data the patch was: 50,5 -> 52,6 -> 54,7. When you look at AMD data it was: 58,6 -> 58,7 -> 57,4. When you look at i7 they DECREASED speed in patch 1.1. Which looks like there was a serious problem somewhere (probably resource starvation of network threads). Strangely i5 speed improved.
Then they released patch 1.3. It looks like they reduced number of heavy work threads, which gave breathing room to other low resource consuming stuff, thus it actually had CPU time to work in parallel.
If they added more threads, there would be massive increase in the FX-8300 speed, however the FX-8300 actually slowed down.

Speed up is 1.32098765432 between 1.0 and 1.3 patch. Normalized speed up is 1.21955898616. Which suggest they were forced to create a special case for a HT CPU, to prevent HT messing with stuff. (Which actually kills abstraction, and create unnecessary complications in pipeline.)

I never said they did, Crysis 3 itself uses (And always has used) more threads compared to other games and shows an improvement from more cores, and yes they are changing it. AMDs is a normal small regression that will probably come back in future patches while the i7 will stay ahead now they've managed to get its threading to work well with HT.
    
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at this point its better to invest in some other components if you are allready on sandy or ivy
    
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Well im planning my new rig right now and have the money together for a new CPU and Mobo, the 990x I currently have is up for sale and iv been using it until then. My rig is primarily used for gaming and in the future some 3d rendering. It seems that the gaming performance is really the same on the 4770k as the 3770k... That being said would it be more worth it to wait for haswell or invest into the x79 platform with a 3820 or 3930k and possibly upgrade to Ivy-e in the future? I will most likely be running 16-32 gigs of DDR3 1600-1866. My CPU will be under water if that changes your opinion. I will be OC the Cpu mildly and my GPU. Iv been reading constantly through forums and reviews of haswell for months and still cant make up my mind so now im looking for some advice. I appreciate any response

Edit: Also it can be added that the games iv been playing seem to be very CPU heavy such as BF3 and Planetside.
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Well im planning my new rig right now and have the money together for a new CPU and Mobo, the 990x I currently have is up for sale and iv been using it until then. My rig is primarily used for gaming and in the future some 3d rendering. It seems that the gaming performance is really the same on the 4770k as the 3770k... That being said would it be more worth it to wait for haswell or invest into the x79 platform with a 3820 or 3930k and possibly upgrade to Ivy-e in the future? I will most likely be running 16-32 gigs of DDR3 1600-1866. My CPU will be under water if that changes your opinion. I will be OC the Cpu mildly and my GPU. Iv been reading constantly through forums and reviews of haswell for months and still cant make up my mind so now im looking for some advice. I appreciate any response

Edit: Also it can be added that the games iv been playing seem to be very CPU heavy such as BF3 and Planetside.

Coming from a 990X you probably are accustomed to the 6 core and 12 thread performance. If you are truly using that performance and not just gaming and web browsing, you should stay with the Hexacore route.

When I went from a 980x to a 2600k system, I just was not satisfied.

SB-E and Haswell/Ivy/Sandy all game pretty much the same. You should get enough money from your x58 rig to cover a x79 setup. I would go 3930K and upgrade to the 4930k when they launch.
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Coming from a 990X you probably are accustomed to the 6 core and 12 thread performance. If you are truly using that performance and not just gaming and web browsing, you should stay with the Hexacore route.

When I went from a 980x to a 2600k system, I just was not satisfied.

SB-E and Haswell/Ivy/Sandy all game pretty much the same. You should get enough money from your x58 rig to cover a x79 setup. I would go 3930K and upgrade to the 4930k when they launch.

Thanks for your quick response, I found a used 3930k for $450 in my area. I can have a friend also ship one for $500 from micro center if id like. Would you say that this is a better option than getting the 3820 as a place holder for Ivy-e? I am very fond of the x79 platform and believe it would fill all my needs for at least the next few years if not further. Thanks again for getting to my post
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