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^ This. Currently, my main machine is the decent i5 3570K rig listed below. But for shts and giggles, I upgraded my HTPC to a AM3+ mobo and FX6300 Vish. I gotta say that the 6-core Vish was surprisingly snappy and made me question my 3570K purchase.

AMD has a HUGE window of opportunity now. If they really make Steamroller lethal and bump the core count plus single thread performance, they will instantly change the market; as Haswell looks more and more like a soft target.

Then we might see mainstream hexa-cores from Intel. The enthusiast platform will get eight cores.
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Geeze, this is super disappointing to me.. Looks like I am gonna have to turn to just making custom cases....

I still have my D0 i7 920 kicking at 4 ghz after 4 years and I really dont feel the need to upgrade other than a 780gtx......

Intel pick up your game bro, and no wonder the PC market is feeling the heat, no bloody reason to upgrade everything is pretty damn fast where it is...
 
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Then we might see mainstream hexa-cores from Intel. The enthusiast platform will get eight cores.

That would be awesome, in my opinion. More cores is nothing but good; especially since these days the code monkeys are getting used to incorporating multi-thread script.

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Geeze, this is super disappointing to me.. Looks like I am gonna have to turn to just making custom cases....

I still have my D0 i7 920 kicking at 4 ghz after 4 years and I really dont feel the need to upgrade other than a 780gtx......

Intel pick up your game bro, and no wonder the PC market is feeling the heat, no bloody reason to upgrade everything is pretty damn fast where it is...

Don't be disappointed! This means that the software guys will actually have to start writing better code... For FAR too long, they've been lazy and depended on the near clockwork-like frequency of hardware improvements to cover their asses.

Our machines now, compared to only five years ago are Godlike. It's ok if we get to keep a machine relevant for an extra year or two. Hell, it's great from a *budget standpoint! wink.gif


*Just had our first baby, so knowing my machine is gonna still be good a year from now feels nice... smile.gif
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Regardless, should the newer 4770K really take that much of a butt-woopin' from its older sibling?
Would need to see other benchmarks before confirming that the 3770k beats the 4770k in games.
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unless single graphics cards start needing pci express 3.0 I am set on my current build for years to come , just the ocassional graphics upgrade will do it.
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Wow, so how many years of engineering did Intel just waste on something that performs the same as the last generation?

They should have just rebadged Ivy chips and saved a few billion.


They spent it on iGPU and power consumption, like they said they were going to.  Face it, CPU performance has reached the point where the vast, vast, majority of users don't need any improvement at all.  There's no monetary advantage for Intel to spend tons of money improving top-line CPU performance right now - they are far enough ahead of mainstream software that it would just be throwing money away, and that money is much better spent improving performance in constrained areas like mobile. 

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My 3770K does 4.5Ghz @ 1.2v
Thats the equivalent of a 2700k @ 4.7Ghz
Ivy Bridge was a better improvement over Sandy, because Ivy was a Tick, Haswell is a Tock. Merely a refinement, a small one at that.
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No need to upgrade from 3770k unless you have any real need from the 4770k's iGPU.
The majority of owners will be using a discrete GPU so lets not give into this Tock release.

Nothing to see here...........
Um...no, TOCKS have the new microarchitecture, ticks are just die shrinks
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Can the built-in GPU be used exclusively for PhysX?

PhysX is Nividia's technology. They won't allow the GPU-assisted physics calculations to run on non-Nividia GPUs.
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They spent it on iGPU and power consumption, like they said they were going to.  Face it, CPU performance has reached the point where the vast, vast, majority of users don't need any improvement at all.  There's no monetary advantage for Intel to spend tons of money improving top-line CPU performance right now - they are far enough ahead of mainstream software that it would just be throwing money away, and that money is much better spent improving performance in constrained areas like mobile. 

You pretty much summed up what I was about to write.
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Bring on Broadwell and 14nm

Why? All that did for IB was raise temps and lower maximum overclocking potential. I don't expect 14nm to be any better at all.
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There's a big gap between the i7-3770K/i7-3570k and FX-8350/FX-8320/FX-6350/FX-6300 in single thread. AMD needs a huge jump for that to change.

It's not going to matter as much as games move towards multiple cores. However, this is the real problem:



i realize I'm cherry picking but there's already games where Piledriver is on Intel's behind pretty hard, or even winning. Haslel isn't enough to put them far ahead, and AMD has a ton of low hanging fruit. Meaning that, well, if AMD sees 10% increase with Steamroller, we're all probably going to be disappointed because we're expecting more. AMD is going to have not only Steamroller, but it'll just compete with a 14nm Haslel with a few tweaks (broadlel).
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It certainly beats just throwing on more and more cores/cranking up the clock speed each year to keep the income flowing. What we are seeing here is a company actually improvising.. Architectural improvements and perfecting the individual core itself should always come first before just throwing on two more cores a year. (The more cores the less balanced the unit as a whole becomes) I really support this kind of work from intel.

Wow, do you work for Intel? Are they sicking the astro-turfing PR people on this already? I was going to say I'm impressed but this is pretty dumb, specially considering Intel has no problem "just throwing on two more cores" on their server lines.

As for the SB to IB jump, you guys are looking at it all wrong. It was just as disappointing, but Intel could cover it up with better working turbo while releasing both chips at the same advertised speeds. So, people took "base of 3.4ghz and turbo to 3.8ghz" on 2600k and 3770k to mean they both run at the same speeds. But 3770 spends more time closer to 3.8ghz than 2600k does, and if 3770k can run at turbo speed and 2600k is base, that's a 10% clockspeed difference, all while both are advertised as having the same clock speeds.

[H] did 2600k vs 3770k at 4ghz with turbo disabled, and it was a lot closer:



The whole review is basically a bunch of 0% to 5% gains, with an occasional outlier. So it's not really anywhere near 10% IPC. Maybe 10% with turbo enabled on both units and IPC, but if both are overclocked and you're assuming 2600k @ 4.7ghz = 3770k @ 4.5ghz, you're a little off, it's really more like 4.6ghz 2600k = 4.5ghz 3770k.

But my basic point is that this is the second disappointment to come out of Intel in a row, the one before this was just masked behind some marketing tricks and CPU turbo.
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