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Not angry just exhausted of these threads. This topic has been off topic for the last 18 pages (comparing sales of 690s and titans) and yet there's been no 5ent coming in to put everyone back on topic. Im not saying there's anything wrong with liking having a giant epeen (which you know is always why people spend large amounts of money on hobbies) however those who do it seem to be condemning those who dont and frankly I'm bloody tired of this attitude from people, especially certain members of the community that should know better. I'm here to state facts and occasionally controversial opinions to move conversations forward because it amuses me. Circle jerks are boring.

Frankly I think there's a lot wrong any form of elitism, and thats what this breeds IMO. But that is my OPINION, not a fact.

Oh, and I see where I mostly could have been construed as annoyed in this thread, eg with "falling for a marketing ploy"

I'm just saying, this frame delay stuff seems oddly coincidental with the release of the titan, and frankly I find it hilarious all these numbers that no one really has a full understanding of but will weaponize to make their card look better even though the difference is totally unnoticeable and anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves. Its getting old. From "I can see a difference between 60 and 120fps on a 75hz screen" Bull. Now this "noticeable frametime delay" Also bull.


Yes lets ignore the fact that I called the logic trolling and not him a troll as a person, because that distinction should totally be overlooked. Instead we can spend time pointing fingers and missing the point. That's cool too.

Quoted for truth.

Enough of the off topic crap in the news threads. I'm also pretty tired and I've been saying it out loud, but my posts always get deleted.

Everyone has their responsability to keep a well maintained thread.
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Yes lets ignore the fact that I called the logic trolling and not him a troll as a person, because that distinction should totally be overlooked. Instead we can spend time pointing fingers and missing the point. That's cool too.
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I'm just saying, this frame delay stuff seems oddly coincidental with the release of the titan, and frankly I find it hilarious all these numbers that no one really has a full understanding of but will weaponize to make their card look better even though the difference is totally unnoticeable and anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves. Its getting old. From "I can see a difference between 60 and 120fps on a 75hz screen" Bull. Now this "noticeable frametime delay" Also bull.

Lol, I've been saying the whole frame time thing has been blown way out of proportion for a long time now. I've even been called an AMD fanboy many times despite my sig rig (and the fact that the 7970's were the only AMD cards I've ever owned) because I have flatly denied this rubbish about CF 7970's performing like only a single card. I deny it because I ran CF 7970's for over a year and would like to think I'm smart enough to be able to tell the difference between one and two card's performance (hint: I am). That said, there is definitely an issue with the way AMD has chosen to meter frames and while the actual experience of this is subtle the demonstrable effects of it look bad (in frame time charts and in slowed down video). I'm just glad that AMD is sorting it out so that the Nvidia fanboys will have to stop using it as a crutch in every AMD vs Nvidia conversation...
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Wellp, for being blown out of proportion, my experience with a 690 system compared to my Titan rig was less than impressive. Perhaps it was that system, but my Titan runs buttery smooth. And I haven't once made any comparison to AMD, so I don't know where the fanboy garbage is coming from.
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Lol, I've been saying the whole frame time thing has been blown way out of proportion for a long time now. I've even been called an AMD fanboy many times despite my sig rig (and the fact that the 7970's were the only AMD cards I've ever owned) because I have flatly denied this rubbish about CF 7970's performing like only a single card. I deny it because I ran CF 7970's for over a year and would like to think I'm smart enough to be able to tell the difference between one and two card's performance (hint: I am). That said, there is definitely an issue with the way AMD has chosen to meter frames and while the actual experience of this is subtle the demonstrable effects of it look bad (in frame time charts and in slowed down video). I'm just glad that AMD is sorting it out so that the Nvidia fanboys will have to stop using it as a crutch in every AMD vs Nvidia conversation...

I hear this but the fanboy part of it isn't event he big deal of it. No one truly understands it, but they all say its noticeable. Yet we still need special cameras to capture movements under 10ms. No one plays games in slowed down video speeds though. If you even have time to wonder what a 5ms distortion in video was, I don't think you're playing the right games. If I notice something odd, I wonder what the game is about to throw at me, not what's wrong with my GPU. I'm not saying there isn't a problem, I'm just saying if we want perfect cards, get ready to be paying far more than the titan users are. (JS I run a K20 render tank and testing rig, there's a reason those are far more expensive than titans.)
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I'm not actually surprised that the Titan outsold the GTX 690. It's a single GPU card, so stability on its performance is going to be better, so to a lot of people, the Titan is a safer buy.

What is surprising is that it outsold the GTX 690 even though the GTX 690 and Titan are both the same price. That's a little bit of a shocker.
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As someone who purchased 5 Titans total, and has run 4 of them in Quad SLI for a while, if the 780 is released at $500-600 like many of the rumors suggest, I will be extremely disappointed in my purchase. I will admit, I enjoy the Titan, and actually spent more time binning each of my GPUs to see which OC'd the best and how 1 of them would perform at 1440p, so there is no bias there. However, there is no denying that if Nvidia was capable of releasing a GK110 part for nearly half the price of Titan a few months after its release, they could have EASILY cut the price of the Titan at launch by at least 25%. It was a question of "how bad do the customers want it", and had it not sold well at $1k, they would've lowered the price just like AMD did with the 7970 with its preposterous launch prices, which even though they were extreme, were child's play in comparison to Titan.


My main argument, and main issue is, after satisfying my urge to own Quad Titans and OC them, benchmark, and so on, and the fact that I've played all of the latest demanding single player shooters and beaten them, there really is NOTHING on the horizon to push such a setup, whatsoever. The ONLY thing I can think of is Battlefield 4 in conjunction with 4K, but other than that there aren't really ANY other titles being released in the near future with REPLAYABILITY, that justifies owning $4000 worth of GPUs.

I'm just glad that I'll be getting close to all of my $$ back for my cards before the release of the 780. After the 780 is out, good luck trying to sell your Titans for any more than 80% of what you paid.

Perhaps this comes down to the fact that PC gaming as a whole isn't as alive and well as I'd like it to be, and it doesn't warrant such an investment to enjoy anymore. I can play BF3 and Starcraft II (my favorite games that I replay alot) on my HD5870 at 1440p with high settings at the cost of AA, and it's almost laughable how old that card is and its value compared to all of the Titans that I own.


What I will say is that it was fun playing through Metro Last Light with the Titans, and I even used 1 Titan with a 680 for Physx and it performed really well. I do admit, I slapped my 2GB 680s back in today just to compare, and I did notice it was SLIGHTLY less smooth than the Titan, but the overall twitchy average framerate was higher which is good for a shooter. In single player titles where you spend time looking at the environment and looking for pickups and interacting with NPCs, a smoother experience with less fps can beneficial, but the games that I replay the most such as the multiplayer shooters and RTS titles, benefit more from the higher fps numbers (in reference to 1 Titan vs 2 680s for example)

Basically my plan is already set in motion, and that is to get rid of all of my Titans and watch the landscape whilst gaming on a 5870 until there is a game released that I feel I'm unable to play satisfactorily with that card.

Perhaps these are the words of someone who has had a revelation as to the blatant waste of resources for frames in games that I'll play through once and that's it.

I'm sure I'll end up changing my mind and buying 4 780s (IF they are a decent price) after launch. At least then I'd feel alot better saving a minimum of $1000 and losing barely any frames in doing so. thumb.gif
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This thread saddens me. All this frametime-delay is miraculous marketing magic made by Nvidia, an incredibly brilliant ploy that it saddens me that you all have swallowed.

You obviously don't know anything about frame rating if this is actually your honest opinion.
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Also just a reminder, the 7970 ran unchallenged for over 3 months, and then again for another few, I never once saw it pass 700 dollars.

two months and 10 days before the 680 launched after which it took the 12.11s and the ghz to take the crown back again. The reason you didn't see it at a high price is that it didn't have a big enough difference compare to the other GPUs. And when it launched at $550 AM knew NV was bringing out GPUs soon as well. And even then at launch it wasn't even 20% faster than a 580.

Titan is ~32% faster than a GHz and ~42% faster than a 680/7970
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And I love how you guys don't like hearing price performance, and just keep making these threads to jack off epeen about spending thousands of dollars on your hardware. Why not buy a 3960x instead of a 3930k because its 100mhz faster?

Come on.

The difference is that Titan is 32-35% (depending on the review site) faster than the next best GPU and also OCs just as well. We don't buy 3960Xs most of the time because they perform identically compared to 3930Ks. I have a 3930K that does 5GHz prime stable at 1.35v and benches 5.3GHz at 1.49v. I've also spent 1100€ on 3930Ks. They're more disposable than 3960Xs due to the price. Only practical difference is the letter X and a black sticker. That isn't worth 1000€ for me, but 32% better perf than a 7970GHz is. World of difference.
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I remember when PC building was about doing as well as you could for as little as you could, and making your rig was for the fun of it, not to show off how much money you could throw at it and hope it worked.

There are different sort of people in every hobby.... don't see why everyone should go for best price/perf.
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Oh, and lets remember, nowhere near everyone has multi gpu issues, otherwise 680s wouldn't have sold as well. thumb.gif

680s and all kepler based cards have hardware frame metering which very effectively kills the frame time variances. Yes there are problems but not enough to make people not buy them.
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Not angry just exhausted of these threads. This topic has been off topic for the last 18 pages (comparing sales of 690s and titans) and yet there's been no 5ent coming in to put everyone back on topic.

A thread about Titan vs. 690 sales and most comments are about the benefits of multi GPU setups or the Titan. Seems very much on topic to me.
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I'm just saying, this frame delay stuff seems oddly coincidental with the release of the titan, and frankly I find it hilarious all these numbers that no one really has a full understanding of but will weaponize to make their card look better even though the difference is totally unnoticeable and anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves. Its getting old. From "I can see a difference between 60 and 120fps on a 75hz screen" Bull. Now this "noticeable frametime delay" Also bull.

First proper frame rating articles started coming out in September of 2011. It's an old thing and it's not some snake oil. Otherwise tom's blind test of the 7990 an the 690 wouldn't have had all participants choosing the 690 as the superior gameplay experience due to smoothness.

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I hear this but the fanboy part of it isn't event he big deal of it. No one truly understands it, but they all say its noticeable. Yet we still need special cameras to capture movements under 10ms. No one plays games in slowed down video speeds though. If you even have time to wonder what a 5ms distortion in video was, I don't think you're playing the right games. If I notice something odd, I wonder what the game is about to throw at me, not what's wrong with my GPU. I'm not saying there isn't a problem, I'm just saying if we want perfect cards, get ready to be paying far more than the titan users are. (JS I run a K20 render tank and testing rig, there's a reason those are far more expensive than titans.)

No you don't need special cameras. This just further proves that you are not informed on the issue so I would ask that you not call the users who talk about it victims of some marketing ploy.

The reason it's being talked about now is that we now have the tools to objectively measure it. I had two 5870s back when they launched. I was also playing BC2 without vsync (don't like input lag that much) and wondering why playing with two cards looked worse than with a single card. Back then I couldn't explain why, now I can.

And in case you don't know what big frame time variances (no, not this 5ms stuff you're talking about) means and looks like, just watch this:



Don't mind the thumbnail that says 20% speed, it's recorded at full speed for the beginning half of the video. The stuttering is extremely noticeable and real. Anyone who claims otherwise just refuses to watch any of these videos or the proof.
 
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I'm not actually surprised that the Titan outsold the GTX 690. It's a single GPU card, so stability on its performance is going to be better, so to a lot of people, the Titan is a safer buy.

What is surprising is that it outsold the GTX 690 even though the GTX 690 and Titan are both the same price. That's a little bit of a shocker.

Everyone knows multi-GPU is problematic for some users.

1. Noises
2. Higher Wattage
3. Heats
4. Game profiles...

1, 2 and 3 is irrelevant for watercool users. But you cannot escape #4.

Single GPU...
1. ???
 
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