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Having personally seen my vram usage over 60% (which would be right around the 4GB mark), I can assure you it is possible, and in that case the 690 would be bottlenecked.

All you really have to do is press that nifty little 16xAA option.
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One reason Titan has outsold the 690 is because,at this point in time, spending $1.000,00 on a card with only 2GB of ram is a tough sell over the Titan, even though it doesn't hurt the 690, it is people perception of the 2 versus the 6GB that one sees,........i say this because it is what swayed me towards the Titan, i WANTED the 690, but, after realizing that, even though it is SOLD as "4GB", it was actually only 2, so, Titan it was,.......
I was under the impression that the 690 is actually 4GB, as it is a shared, single pool of memory that both GPUs draw from.

I am pretty sure that is how it works, not a 2GB limit, because that would be nearly useless for high resolutions, and it clearly is not the case.

And Titans in SLI probably scale just as well as each 690 GPU does... except you only need three of them to slaughter all 4 gpus in the 690. Just another reason why people are buying more Titans.
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Originally Posted by Masta Squidge View Post

Still wondering how the Titan has less display connections than a 690.

Sounds like someone's lack of personal experience with the card is showing.

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Da hell? I know I have seen you before on another forum. But I have no idea where...
*Chirp Chirp*

I ain't gonna rise to your troll bait son. Keep on poking, I ain;t gonna bite.
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Replying to your bold statement...

You know I came from GTX 680 SLI to GTX TITAN on the same 1440p monitor.... gaming experiences is a lot smooth on TITAN. Period regardless what's the framerate is. There is literally no frametime shuttering.


i wouldn't get a TITAN because the strutting is better than 680SLi



for my money FPS>>>>>stutter


60fps is all i need in a game
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I ain't gonna rise to your troll bait son. Keep on poking, I ain;t gonna bite.
Well as long as you know you made an error. Shows you have never had a Titan though.

EDIT: Neat, four connections...




And another four.


Edited by Masta Squidge - 5/19/13 at 1:24am
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I was under the impression that the 690 is actually 4GB, as it is a shared, single pool of memory that both GPUs draw from.

I am pretty sure that is how it works, not a 2GB limit, because that would be nearly useless for high resolutions, and it clearly is not the case.

And Titans in SLI probably scale just as well as each 690 GPU does... except you only need three of them to slaughter all 4 gpus in the 690. Just another reason why people are buying more Titans.
If this were true, i would have bought the 690,.....
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post #267 of 338
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Originally Posted by Masta Squidge View Post

Well as long as you know you made an error. Shows you have never had a Titan though.

Okay proof that you don't know how to read.
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<--- runs penta screen eyefinity 90% of the time. (Right now being done with software hacks) So to run at 1080 I'd be chucking 4 screens out. I'm just saying, that's one thing a 7990 has the floor on. For alatar. (Click to show)
Yes it does, if that isn't how it works, then the media wouldn't be successful at all. I'm probably having trouble making this point without using the word sensationalist.
I don't agree though, 30% doesn't impress me when there's options another 30% further ahead at the same price point. (This is why I don't get how P/P is irrelevant to you guys, especially you who has 1 card not 4.
I don't know what the point of that statement was seeing as my whole point was this is a dangerous president to set. As a bencher IDK if you see it this way.
The better frametimes isn't something I have honestly EVER encountered, and to be honest I've really tried. I don't see a difference above 50FPS either, however I do see a big difference between 1280*1024 and 6750*1024 which is why I use 7950s thumb.gif Vram bro.
I appologize if thats how I'm coming off, enjoy your product everyone, just don't expect everyone to understand. Although I still don't buy into this occasional frame lag killing your gameplay experience.
Actually my comment about being off topic refers to another post that I will PM you sooner than quote seeing as we're doing really well right now.
No I'm telling you its still 3rd party evidence and 1 study will NEVER be enough to get me to believe something. There's a reason I believe in redundancy, incase mistakes are made.
Its not quite a strawman, because fractions of a second on a low frequency occurrence shouldn't be the big deal you're making it to be. This is like hitting a pothole once a KM and whinging on about the road being bumpy and not well made. Come on. It happens. Also to your question I honestly don't know, seeing as I've never cared to check, my game looks good, I play, and occasionally I win and get monnies.
But I don't agree with you that its there as prominently as you make it out to be and there in lies the issue, all this circlejerking is a matter of perspective.
No way you'll get me to believe its that bad. IT sure as hell wasn't in that video.
A: I kinda was trying to be funny. B: A doctored test with slomo views. Come on. I'd make a magician and a rabbit comparison here too.
But again, not to the level its being made into.
Did I miss a memo where the titan was flawless out of box right off the bat too? Or the 7000 series and 600 series in general? Nope, I didn't. Software in GENERAL gets better over time.
The only reason I can identify below 30 is my screens start falling out of sync. That's the advantage of not pressing onces face into the monitor.
fair enough. thumb.gif
True, but this is kinda really generic to every high end card config ever.

Also something that can only do 3 screen surround isn't exactly doing well in high resolution in my enthusiast opinion Idk of anything maxing 3gb of vram on anything but >5760 resolutions.

Because titan's scale so well too rolleyes.gif

Come talk to me when your card can run 9600*1080.
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I understand some people can see it. I honestly feel bad for those who can. However, that has no bearing on Alatar's claims, or my rebuttal of them.

He's just saying what many others here are saying.... You haven't provided any reasonable rebuttal since your argument mostly consists of "I can't see it so it doesn't matter".
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He says it's a big issue and rubs it in everyone's face, including those who do not see it (hence him needing to add the video) so he can feel superior. That's the problem.

I reckon it's pretty hard to know what people are thinking just from the text they're typing. So how you ended up with this conclusion is interesting.
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I can afford dual 7950s. The argument is not against my cards, but against a 690 or similar. On topic, remember?

690 which also made an appearance in the graphs above? Not with the hardwarecanucks ones but with TPU one.
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Also, 3440x1920 is closer to 5760x1080. Higher than it in fact. That's 11% faster for 60% the price.

11% more fps that doesn't mean anything when it comes to the gaming experience. Any 7000 series crossfire setup has enough dropped and runt frames to lower the actual perceived frame rate to near single GPU levels.
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Ya, that's it, make up things. You have zero proof dual-GPU needs more frames to feel smooth.

I only don't have proof if you assume every proof being posted is not proof or somehow fake.

See this again shows the general lack of knowledge when it comes to frame times. See this is how it works:



That's a frame time graph from pcper. The red line was added by me. That red line shows you where the perceived average frame time will be. It doesn't matter what the average frame time is since that is just another way of telling the average fps.
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No, you posted it and SAID it backed you up.

Except people then said the video didn't matter, because they didn't see it.

Gee, ya know, if only we could get paid for claiming things as fact, huh?

The difference is like night and day. If you can't see it I would suggest a meeting with a doctor since your eyesight obviously isn't up to par if you can't distinguish 20fps from 40fps which is what the video is showcasing. Well actually, just 30 vs. 20 since youtube can't offer more than 30. The difference is bigger in the raw file found in pcper's 7990 review.
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Your car can't even do 30 at the resolutions I play on. Get off the highway before someone hits you. wink.gif

And your's paired with bad tires that can't transfer the power to speed can't either... Though since you can't see the difference between 40 and 20fps it's understandable why you would think it does.

E:

The thing is that I can't discuss this with people who have not studied the issue and will just say they disagree with every piece of proof posted. If you do not know how frame times work then please refer to the many articles posted on the issue.

Start with this one for all the technical info:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6857/amd-stuttering-issues-driver-roadmap-fraps
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Do you actually have said 7990? I don't see it in your sig, but that doesn't mean anything.

Ohnoes, you can run 5 monitors.

Oh by the way, we are comparing the $1000 690 to the $1000 Titan. Not the $1000 Titan to your precious $1200 7990, so excuse me if I made a mistake on context, seeing as you are blatantly off topic. But for 200 dollars more it damn well better be a faster card, with at minimum better features.

Nobody is arguing that the 7990 isn't a better card.

But 5 displays is neat, surround cant do that... Which is a limitation of nvidia surround, not the card (as much) if you had two Titans in SLI you could run 8 displays, and step all over the 7990 too... except you can't run that many in surround.
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Well as long as you know you made an error. Shows you have never had a Titan though.

EDIT: Neat, four connections...




And another four.




5 displays, and capable of 1 5xSLS instead of 1 3xSLS with 1 add on.

GOML.
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Which is a limitation of nvidia surround, not the card. Do you actually have said 7990? I don't see it in your sig, but that doesn't mean anything.

Ohnoes, you can run 5 monitors.

Oh by the way, we are comparing the $1000 690 to the $1000 Titan. Not the $1000 Titan to your precious $1200 7990, so excuse me if I made a mistake on context, seeing as you are blatantly off topic. But for 200 dollars more it damn well better be a faster card, with at minimum better features.

Nobody is arguing that the 7990 isn't a better card.

1200? Whaaaat? Its cheaper than the 690 here...

Also we were comparing the frame time on both the 690 and the 7990 vs the titan. Sooooo... I like how comparisons aren't valid for you guys when you can't win them, I like how that works.

And no I have trifire 7950s for now. 7990s aren't available in my country yet.
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