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Originally Posted by McMogg View Post

They just need to make glass connect to a worldwide network, and limit its capabilities when it's inside a building / in a place that wants its capabilities limited.
sorta how the Nissan GTR has a limiter on public roads in the UK, but as soon as you hit private land, Shabam! Limiters gone.

this could work actually
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I love how everyone is freaking out about a device that isn't even a commercial product. They all act as if every teenager, soccer mom, and grandparent are walking around wearing one.

Maybe not yet, but you would be naive to think that these or something like them later will be the norm and used widely. Just a matter of time. I'm glad people are bringing up the possible issues now rather than later, when it may possibly be too late.
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The hilarious part about this is that most of this fear could be alleviated by adding a simple low power LED indicator on the side when recording. I'm not sure what genius thought it would be a great idea to not include one. Regardless of the privacy rights of us and businesses the indicator should have been put there just as a courtesy to everyone around you. I know I'd sure like to at least know you're filming.. with a cell phone you're kind of obvious when filming if you want to get a clear shot rolleyes.gif

There is an LED while recording. Most people in this thread don't have a clue what they're talking about.

All situations put forward can already be done. Private conversations can be recorded with your phone's microphone. If you think this is gonna be used to snap some kind of privacy invading photo of people, that could already be done. Would you question someone walking around with a DSLR taking photos in a public space?

The world also does not have a vendetta against you.
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* imagine your friend is walking down the street and he bro-touches your hand by mistake.. you say "fag" as a joke, its recorded and all of a sudden your a homophobe
No one cares if you call your friend a fag. If they do, they're not going to be able to get enough publicity with the footage for anyone else to care.

If someone catches you on footage doing something embarrassing in public, guess what? You're in public. People see other people do stupid things every day. Maybe they laugh at it, they certainly don't try to capture it and ruin your life with it.

Stop being so damn paranoid.
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Good. That said, the issue isn't really about right to record. It's the fact that they can SECRETLY record, with no obvious recording device or warning. And as far as driving... seriously, that should be an OBVIOUS no-no. I mean in most places it's illegal to even make a phone call with a bluetooth headset! Now imagine someone DRIVING with one eye covered by a display screen!

A pair of glasses with a camera in them isnt obvious to you?
post #105 of 227
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All situations put forward can already be done. Private conversations can be recorded with your phone's microphone. If you think this is gonna be used to snap some kind of privacy invading photo of people, that could already be done. Would you question someone walking around with a DSLR taking photos in a public space?

A business establishment isn't considered a public space. If you're walking around with a DSLR in a McDonalds, the employees have every right to tell you to stop or kick you out for not following their rules. Likewise, if it appears like you're using your phone for recording purposes, they can do the same. Of course, the key point is always whether or not they can make a reasonable assumption that you are recording.
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I'm not a lawyer but I'm not sure some of these interpretations of public space vs private space are completely accurate. There are legal concepts such as 'semi-public space' and 'privately owned public space'.
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that right there should explain it rather plainly this comes from the privacy law of the us

4. privacy of businesses

Businesses have no right of privacy. California Bankers Ass'n v. Schultz, 416 U.S. 21, 65 (1974); U.S. v. Morton Salt Co., 338 U.S. 632, 652 (1950); Restatement (Second) Torts, §652I, comment c (1977); Prosser, Privacy, 48 Calif. L.Rev. 383, 408-09 (1960); Am.Jur.2d Constitutional Law § 606 (1979). Privacy law is phrased only as an individual person's rights. However, businesses have rights analogous to the right of privacy. For example, corporate espionage might be prosecuted as an improper acquisition of a trade secret. Restatement (Third) Unfair Competition § 43 (1995). Further, trademark law holds that a business can own a product name and prevent others from using the same name, at least in the owner's territory. It is interesting that confidential business information is treated as a property right, while confidential personal information is not.
post #108 of 227
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A business establishment isn't considered a public space. If you're walking around with a DSLR in a McDonalds, the employees have every right to tell you to stop or kick you out for not following their rules. Likewise, if it appears like you're using your phone for recording purposes, they can do the same. Of course, the key point is always whether or not they can make a reasonable assumption that you are recording.
Sorry, I should have specified. That was aimed at people saying perverts could use it to take pictures of children or women, not in Mcdonalds specifically. Although you could probably get away with snapping pictures or a video in a McD's for quite a while before anyone noticed, and from my experience most of the staff would be too apathetic to ask you to leave even then.
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that right there should explain it rather plainly this comes from the privacy law of the us

4. privacy of businesses

Businesses have no right of privacy. California Bankers Ass'n v. Schultz, 416 U.S. 21, 65 (1974); U.S. v. Morton Salt Co., 338 U.S. 632, 652 (1950); Restatement (Second) Torts, §652I, comment c (1977); Prosser, Privacy, 48 Calif. L.Rev. 383, 408-09 (1960); Am.Jur.2d Constitutional Law § 606 (1979). Privacy law is phrased only as an individual person's rights. However, businesses have rights analogous to the right of privacy. For example, corporate espionage might be prosecuted as an improper acquisition of a trade secret. Restatement (Third) Unfair Competition § 43 (1995). Further, trademark law holds that a business can own a product name and prevent others from using the same name, at least in the owner's territory. It is interesting that confidential business information is treated as a property right, while confidential personal information is not.

Too bad that California Bankers Ass'n v. Schultz was about BANKING RECORDS of a business with regards to reporting to the IRS and not what we are talking about.

http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/416/21/case.html
post #110 of 227
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Originally Posted by Tsumi View Post

Technically, camcorders and cameras are banned at movie theaters, so it makes sense that the ban would be expanded to these at well.

Most businesses don't want their customers recording things at their business without their permission. Also, technically, if you're filming a person, you need to have their permission to be filmed before you can film them, based on a recent project I did with my psychology class. With Google glass though, you can get away with just saying "I'm filming everything" when you're actually trying to film a particular person. It becomes a huge gray area.

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Indeed.

Anyone not living in some undocumented, rural, hillside village talking about their privacy and freedom seem unaware that it never existed the moment they were born in a hospital/went to school/drove a car/got a job/opened a bank account etc.

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That's the thing, Privacy is largely an illusion. These Google Glass ban's aren't protecting your privacy, these are corporations protecting themselves. McD's already has camera's that watch the registers, dining rooms, ect. You are already being recorded. McD's just want's to control those recordings, and prevent anything that could be potentially bad for PR or used in a lawsuit from showing up on youtube.

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If you think about it, it's good that Google is forcing these issue to be addressed now. In another 10+ years the technology will be in the form of a contact lens or brain implant and you really will have no idea when your being recorded.

^^^^ Bingo
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which is another point. being in public isnt a private space, but that should not mean you implicitly lose the right to not have your face, conversation, body exposed / recorded to be viewed by millions does it?
its an infringement and the law needs to drag its lazy ass into the current century ! this is likewise technology used in a completely different context

So where were you when the Television industry (oh and the security industry) began recording people in public and private and posting images of them on television series? Again, without their consent.

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that right there should explain it rather plainly this comes from the privacy law of the us

4. privacy of businesses

Businesses have no right of privacy. California Bankers Ass'n v. Schultz, 416 U.S. 21, 65 (1974); U.S. v. Morton Salt Co., 338 U.S. 632, 652 (1950); Restatement (Second) Torts, §652I, comment c (1977); Prosser, Privacy, 48 Calif. L.Rev. 383, 408-09 (1960); Am.Jur.2d Constitutional Law § 606 (1979). Privacy law is phrased only as an individual person's rights. However, businesses have rights analogous to the right of privacy. For example, corporate espionage might be prosecuted as an improper acquisition of a trade secret. Restatement (Third) Unfair Competition § 43 (1995). Further, trademark law holds that a business can own a product name and prevent others from using the same name, at least in the owner's territory. It is interesting that confidential business information is treated as a property right, while confidential personal information is not.

As with the previous post i find it funny how so many luddites are on OCN and on top of that defending a business' right to privacy but not an individual when they occupy the same space. That last line is particularly telling "confidential business information is treated as a property right, while confidential personal information is not" WOW... WOW....


in 20 years people will have this technology in their eyes.. then what are you going to do ban them from opening their eyes? I have said this in a few other threads including a few threads about our wonderful National Security Agency, your right to privacy is an illusion to keep you from rioting in the streets and has been since about the 1950s. So funny how you trust the govts and corps to record you but not an individual human being, who probably has a better ethical and moral compass than most of the people leading these corps and govts.
 
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