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I already provided you with a source showing you that your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU in this scenario, you are absolutely and 100% wrong in every single sense to not believe that this is the case. Stop denying the source I provided you with and just accept that you are wrong.

See this, this is what you said:
This is what the source says,

"Fortunately, there's one easy test to figure out whether you'll have a CPU bottleneck: Monitor the CPU and GPU loads while playing a game. If the CPU load is very high (about 70 percent or more) and significantly higher than the video card's load, then the CPU is causing a bottleneck. "

http://www.maximumpc.com/will-your-cpu-bottleneck-your-graphics-card/

Get it? Your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU. You are CPU limited in this game. End of discussion.

Or are you going to sit there in denial and claim that it isn't the case. Even though you already claimed you are @ 100% CPU usage and only 30-40% GPU usage. I mean you can go on any forum in the world and they will tell you are CPU bottlenecked.

How you don't understand this I have no idea, what is even more sad is you will sit there and argue with me instead of just accepting that you need a better processor to play this game at the resolution you are playing at.

Oh, for the love of God, did you even READ my posts? Nobody is denying that there is a bottleneck, just your solution to "raise the resolution or get a 290X" is retarded!
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Oh, for the love of God, did you even READ my posts? Nobody is denying that there is a bottleneck, just your solution to "raise the resolution or get a 290X" is retarded!

Nobody said that is the solution. When did I say that at all? The solution is always to get a better processor when your CPU is a bottleneck.

You were wondering why your results differed from the source (the common sense you claim others to lack, that you seem to not have yourself). I gave you the answer, you chose not to listen to that. Instead you go off on your non-related burger tangent.
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Nobody said that is the solution. When did I say that at all? The solution is always to get a better processor when your CPU is a bottleneck.

You were wondering why your results differed from the source. I gave you the answer, you chose not to listen to that. Instead you go off on your non-related tangent.

Well, you answered your own question. THAT said that it is the solution.

The people who did the review got 40 FPS. I get 20 FPS.
You're saying that is because my resolution is lower and my GPU is slower.
So from that logically follows that if I get a faster GPU and raise the resolution, I too will be getting 40 FPS.

That is wrong. You are wrong. This doesn't make sense. You can't get more FPS by upgrading the component that doesn't bottleneck you. It's stupid. You should be ashamed for pushing this "argument" so far and even calling me arrogant for realizing it makes 0 sense.
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Well, you answered your own question. THAT said that it is the solution.
The people who did the review got 40 FPS. I get 20 FPS.
You're saying that is because my resolution is lower and my GPU is slower.

So from that logically follows that if I get a faster GPU and raise the resolution, I too will be getting 40 FPS.

That is wrong. You are wrong. This doesn't make sense. You can't get more FPS by upgrading the component that doesn't bottleneck you. It's stupid. You should be ashamed for pushing this "argument" so far and even calling me arrogant for realizing it makes 0 sense.

Wait so you are saying that if you had a 290X, you wouldn't get more frames?

You don't actually believe that right. You do realize that even if you are bottlenecked by your CPU increasing your GPU horsepower will still give you a slight increase in performance. Even though it might not be running at its full potential, it will still perform better than the previous slower graphics card.
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Wait so you are saying that if you had a 290X, you wouldn't get more frames?

You don't actually believe that right. You do realize that even if you are bottlenecked by your CPU increasing your GPU horsepower will still give you a slight increase in performance. Even though it might not be running at its full potential, it will still perform better than the previous graphics card.

eek.gif No, it won't! Who told you that?

If my GPU is at 30% utilization, I can get SLI Titans and still get the same framerate!

If the GPU was at 80% or 90%, then maybe having a better memory bandwidth on a newer card can get you a frame or two. But not +20 frames, Jesus! doh.gif
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eek.gif No, it won't! Who told you that?

If my GPU is at 30% utilization, I can get SLI Titans and still get the same framerate!

If the GPU was at 80% or 90%, then maybe having a better memory bandwidth on a newer card can get you a frame or two. But not +20 frames, Jesus! doh.gif

Okay, I see you are going to be difficult here and chose not to watch the video I posted. So let's see you answer some questions since you have decided to remain as the know-it-all.

Why does Tech Spot get better framerates than you with the same processor as you?
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Okay, I see you are going to be difficult here and chose not to watch the video I posted. So let's see you answer some questions since you have decided to remain as the know-it-all.

Why does Tech Spot get better framerates than you with the same processor as you?

I did watch the video, it's a very basic explanation of bottlenecks that proves you wrong.

His metaphor with the car, where the engine is too powerful and the car loses traction? What did he say, "get a spoiler to increase traction", or "get an even more powerful engine, because other cars with more powerful engines actually move"?

Also, if I knew why they are getting better results, I wouldn't ask here.

That doesn't mean I don't know when an answer is wrong.

You still haven't addressed any of my arguments, and also you forget that I have two different GPUs and I have tested if a more powerful GPU can alleviate a CPU bottleneck. It can't.

I'm saying this again, this time I will bold and underline it so it reaches that hidden part of your brain that works with things that make sense:

I'M NOT ARGUING, THIS IS NOT AN OPINION, IT IS TESTED AND PROVEN, I AM STATING IT AS A FACT.

At this point I advise you to drop all your false ideas about bottlenecks, and actually try to improve your knowledge, because you're leading people off by preaching what you don't understand.
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Also, if I knew why they are getting better results, I wouldn't ask here.

I rest my case. thumb.gif
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I rest my case. thumb.gif

That's stupid. Sorry, but it really is.

I made 3 clear points -
1. Raising the resolution does not improve FPS in any situation whatsoever, because it reduces the bottleneck from the side of the non-bottleneck component.
2. Upgrading the GPU can't double my FPS if my current GPU is not near max utilization, this is tested and proven.
3. Not knowing the answer to something does not mean you should accept any obviously wrong answers.

Once you've logically addressed these points, then you can rest your case.
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Does anyone know if W_D is RAM bandwidth intensive? We know it fills ~6gb, but how often does it read/write? My 8gb is single-channel, the review used dual-channel. It could be part of the problem.
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