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post #11 of 17
Yeah, agree with above post. There has been so much data taken about these things. I think fateswarm really really wants to believe that all the "conventional wisdom" is wrong. But honestly, this forum has been pretty damn scholarly about its discussion and testing methods.
post #12 of 17
Avago 9500 works fine for RTS gaming at 800DPI, it's just if you tried to use it at low DPI in an FPS, it's gonna suck.
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No no, it's fine, I understand your assumption I'm biased but what I'm actually trying to do is to find the confirmation of the conventional knowledge. My background on this is not this forum but a few other places that advertise the G400 and when asked what is their proof is either that test on an LP turntable from 2006 or referring me to this forum abstractly.

Rest assured I will google it further and sorry if I sounded biased. I was mainly expressing some mild frustration not on you, but on others that either provide no evidence or abstractly refer me to others.
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I'm gonna be honest here. I keep googling about it and I keep returning to the same page: "The Truthful Mouse Guide" in this forum. In all honesty and trying my hardest to not be biased, I find it quite low quality. redface.gif

The main proof is citations from a 2006 review, that was done with a process I'm not convinced is viable. In any case it doesn't seem to be much peer reviewed.

The thread guide keeps using aphorisms of the type "do not get wireless" without proving why. Where is the evidence it matters in the real world for real human responses?

In general there is very little reviewing of actual mice. Have you tried the newer sensors, new circuits and models after 2006? Have you tried them repeatedly and read about it from different reviewers? thumb.gif

Did you try newer receivers that claim to have higher polling rates? Have you done tests on non-cloth-mats?

I'll say it for the last time and I'm gone: More tools, methods, reviewing and peer-reviewing is needed.

Otherwise some claims are simply not convincing.
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Easiest way to test is get a g400 and a sensei, go into an fps game; see how the crosshair tracks your movements 1:1 with the g400 and next try the sensei and see how the crosshair feels like it's floating and not tracking your hand movements 1:1.
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Originally Posted by fateswarm View Post

I'm gonna be honest here. I keep googling about it and I keep returning to the same page: "The Truthful Mouse Guide" in this forum. In all honesty and trying my hardest to not be biased, I find it quite low quality. redface.gif

The main proof is citations from a 2006 review, that was done with a process I'm not convinced is viable. In any case it doesn't seem to be much peer reviewed.

The thread guide keeps using aphorisms of the type "do not get wireless" without proving why. Where is the evidence it matters in the real world for real human responses?

In general there is very little reviewing of actual mice. Have you tried the newer sensors, new circuits and models after 2006? Have you tried them repeatedly and read about it from different reviewers? thumb.gif

Did you try newer receivers that claim to have higher polling rates? Have you done tests on non-cloth-mats?

I'll say it for the last time and I'm gone: More tools, methods, reviewing and peer-reviewing is needed.

Otherwise some claims are simply not convincing.

Don't just search for G400 and G700 comparisons, that won't get you far. You'll have to search for information on the ADNS 3090 and 9500 sensors themselves because there are so many mice that use those, which will lead you to much more information and will show you the big picture.

Or if you have trust issues and won't believe what people are saying, just try it for yourself if that finally convinces you. Get a G400 and G700 and try them both. Now not everyone can "feel" the acceleration and inconsistent tracking (wanna remind you it's "just" a few percent of deviation) of the G700. But you can do the acceleration test, which will indisputably show you that the G700 has acceleration while the G400 tracks nicely 1:1.
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Originally Posted by fateswarm View Post

I'm gonna be honest here. I keep googling about it and I keep returning to the same page: "The Truthful Mouse Guide" in this forum. In all honesty and trying my hardest to not be biased, I find it quite low quality. redface.gif

The main proof is citations from a 2006 review, that was done with a process I'm not convinced is viable. In any case it doesn't seem to be much peer reviewed.

The thread guide keeps using aphorisms of the type "do not get wireless" without proving why. Where is the evidence it matters in the real world for real human responses?

In general there is very little reviewing of actual mice. Have you tried the newer sensors, new circuits and models after 2006? Have you tried them repeatedly and read about it from different reviewers? thumb.gif

Did you try newer receivers that claim to have higher polling rates? Have you done tests on non-cloth-mats?

I'll say it for the last time and I'm gone: More tools, methods, reviewing and peer-reviewing is needed.

Otherwise some claims are simply not convincing.

Find your answers here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1251156/an-overview-of-mouse-technology

I and several others requested it to be sticky but no, still this stupid "truthful mouse guide" is stickier instead of it.

As for a more scientific approach to mouse benchmarking: the closest there was yet was the ESR Mousescore from 2007 which was flawed as well. It could be done of course, but there are so many variables to consider from surface over sensor itself, surrounding architecture down to the USB controller level. All at various polling rates and dpi steps.

Too much work if you ask me, at least as long as you don't get paid for it wink.gif

EDIT: btw I think we'd all like more and reliable tools for mouse benchmarking. For the time being I'll trust the few credible people I know and their opinions.
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