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AMD where are you!?!?!? Look at what your cousin NV is charging us.
dont worry i be there in december, will charge you 800bucks for 8970 too, so nvidia wont be alone tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by y2kcamaross View Post

This place also has the Titan for 929 euros, who in their right mind wouldn't just buy that instead?
yep titan goes for 920eur in my part of europe, 1k if its the evga SC version
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Originally Posted by keikei View Post

Hi Everyone,

May I ask to those who are buying this card:
  • what are you upgrading from?
  • Is brand loyalty a factor?
  • Is SLI/single card a factor?
  • do you want close to Titan performance, without Titan price?
Thanks for replying.
q1 evga gtx 660ftw
q2 no i had 15years of ati cards
q3 no sli planned for now
q4 precisely

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post #1032 of 1081
Upgrading from ATI 5870, I look at performance and not on brands name, going to WC it and overclock it so its closer to stock Titan speed.
post #1033 of 1081
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Originally Posted by keikei View Post

Hi Everyone,

May I ask to those who are buying this card:

  • what are you upgrading from?
  • Is brand loyalty a factor?
  • Is SLI/single card a factor?
  • do you want close to Titan performance, without Titan price?


Thanks for replying.
1. Upgrading from GTX580 3Gb to 2x GTX780 or 2xGTX770 (price depending)
2. No, but I have a 3DVision2 screen so would like to keep easy compatibility
3. Yes, I have been looking forward to having my first SLI build.
4. I want better then Titan performance at a better-similar price.
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1. GTX580 1.5GB (I don't do AA at 1440P, but I know I'm already pushing my luck haha)
2. Somewhat (see answer #3).
3. I am historically single-card, but I would like to leave the SLI option open, considering 1440P @ 120Hz requirements.
4. Sounds good to me.
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Originally Posted by keikei View Post

Hi Everyone,

May I ask to those who are buying this card:

  • what are you upgrading from?
  • Is brand loyalty a factor?
  • Is SLI/single card a factor?
  • do you want close to Titan performance, without Titan price?


Thanks for replying.

1 - 560ti 448 core

2 - Yes but certainly not the only one.

3 - I've never done SLI, but I did just pick up Corsair HX750 so I may. But most likely no, I've always felt single card was the way to go esp for 1080p

4 - precisely, I was all ready to buy one but I can't justify spending $1K on a GPU while only playing @1080p (need to get a better monitor first). There was a reviewer on here, I can't recall his name, but his posts were dug up on here in another 780 thread by Karlitos? I think? He was talking in the titan threads about how if you want a GPU just to game on then to wait and you wouldn't be dissapointed, well I'm glad I believed him and waited because the 780 is exactly what he was talking about.
post #1036 of 1081
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Originally Posted by keikei View Post

Hi Everyone,

May I ask to those who are buying this card:

  • what are you upgrading from?
  • Is brand loyalty a factor?
  • Is SLI/single card a factor?
  • do you want close to Titan performance, without Titan price?


Thanks for replying.

Everyone else is responding, so I'll join the club....

1) A gigabyte windforce 3 gtx 670 oc'd that I sold recently.
2) Somewhat, as I have had much better experiences overall with geforce drivers and cards than others.
3) Yes, compared to potentially less expensive options that could match this... but I'm also hoping to be able to upgrade to SLI of the 780 in a month or two, so I want to keep my options open.
4) Yes, who doesn't? I also expect it, since it's a standard GeForce GTX product.
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post #1037 of 1081
I don't understand what the fuss is about, really.
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Originally Posted by gl0ry View Post

There's reasonable and logical explanations for both sides of the coin. I can see the 780 selling for 700 and I can see it selling for 500 as well. There's good arguments for both.

There is no logic for 780 selling at $500. None. You can't back up that claim because it has no arguments behind it. The 7970GHZ is $450, do you really think NVIDIA, a brand that is kept in higher regards than AMD, will release a product with 20% extra performance for 10% extra price? You talking about logical explanations?

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post

The 8800GTX was also a much larger performance boost and a whole new rendering architecture for video cards (unified shaders compared to fixed pipelines), basically double the prior generation, with an 8800GTS 640MB available for a much more reasonable price range that was still a great performer (I see a bit of a parallel here coming on...). We've yet to see anything like it since, and the 780 certainly won't be that kind of boost. Nvidia tried spiking the price once and got burnt (GTX 280). I personally have a preference towards nVidia and have for years now (I'm sure many regular posters know that), but I just don't see nVidia's super-strong position here compared to other launches the past several generations. I see them at a small advantage comparatively, but not to where they can aim for a giant price hike. Combine the threat of an AMD launch which, if they price too high, will result in a price drop being required (bad PR), the pretty much horrific world economy, the prior generation launches, etc. and in my opinion, I just don't see $650+ as very likely.

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Originally Posted by Razor 116 View Post

Asus GTX Titan £798.95 http://www.scan.co.uk/products/6gb-asus-gtx-titan-28nm-pcie-30-(x16)-6000mhz-gddr5-gpu-837mhz-boost-876mhz-cores-2688-dp-2x-dl-dvi-

It's got to be a placeholder, who would pay 718 for a GTX 780 when for £80 more you can get a TITAN

Good job, comparing the price of different products based on different shops. At least use a single one because, you know, you are cherry picking there rolleyes.gif Or manipulating the data to your own benefit.



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it's all in good fun to me, I have nothing better to do until launch. tongue.gif

A 780 launching for 700-800+? If that honestly happened i'd probably look at ATI's offerings, even though I prefer Nvidia. That price point would bother me enough to make me want to jump ship and not support the company. It would be obvious price gouging based on historical trends.

I also don't think the 770 will sell for $500. It's a rehash of last generation and only has 2gb vram. I'd be really shocked to see that thing launch at $500+

Let's be honest. The 7970GHZ is priced at $450, right? The same price the GTX680 goes for... now, which one performs better? The 7970GHZ. So, and this is something that has always been truth:

-NVIDIA cards will be more expensive at the same performance.
-NVIDIA cards will perform less at the same price.

At the end of the day, the brand "NVIDIA" is more well recognised than AMD is (which is bad for us, customers, as there isn't "real" competition), and brand recognition = you pay more for the same. The GTX770 won't be lower than its competition, the $450 7970GHZ because... it will perform better (marginally, but better), and it's an NVIDIA product. So? $500 is the fair price unless AMD wants to lower their prices (Which I doubt they will).

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Do you not understand the meaning of "end of life"? The 600 series are at their end of life cycle, these new cards are here to REPLACE them not sell beside them.... New faster GPUs replace the older slower ones at the same price, why is this so alien to you when it happens every generation? I don't get you guys.

End of life? I'll tell you something: most of the time, a company introduces a REPLACEMENT that costs less for the same performance because, you know, the product is actually CHEAPER TO MAKE. This has happened every single time we had a new "series" incoming, and this will the first time It won't happen.

Just look at the numbers and what they meant: the GTX280 was outperformed by a GTX460... and it was cheaper. But it wasn't simply cheaper "for the sake of it", it was because you had higher-performing products and, also, the fact that the GTX460 was cheaper to make than the GTX280.

Right now, none of that will happen. The GK104 will get a merely frequency boost (silicon might even be the same, not the slightest change... although I'm speculating on this one), and you expect it to lower its price by $100? That won't happen. Right now, NVIDIA can't compete with the $450 7970 GHZ (unless you factor Titan), because the GTX680 at $450 performs less. Logical movement here? Bring the GTX770, price it at $500, and call it a day.

At the end of the day, you replace a line of products because...

a) They aren't selling well (not happening right now).
b) You have newer products (that perform more for the same cost, or perform the same for less cost).
c) You need to compete with others.

First option ain't happening... the second, barely isn't because the products that will get released are, basically, the same with different names and, the last one... only with the 7970GHZ.

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refreshes get cheaper. GTX570 was practically a GTX480s refresh and it sold for much less then the GTX480 did at launch and the new more powerful 580 filled in the GTX480s previous price. This is what should happen now.

Sad to see the people who usually critique AMD for releasing their 7970 at $550 (calling them out for gouging) almost begging for a $650+ GTX780.

GTX570 was a cheaper card (they blew up when overclocking), and the node was perfected... let alone the GTX580 was a higher-performing, less noise-making than the GTX480 was. You tell me how this compares with anything... specially since the GTX570 and GTX580 had the same chip, whereas GTX770 and GTX780 won't.

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Originally Posted by i7monkey View Post

I know! What is the matter with so many guys on this forum??

For the 500th time, new tech replaces old tech at similar price points. Prices don't magically increase just because the replacement is better.

If that was true, we'd be paying trillions of dollars for a 2TB hard drive:


New tech costs less than the old one it replaces... and, this isn't new tech, not at all. Do you think NVIDIA will want to lower their margins... which is implied if they launch the same at a lesser price? Specially when NVIDIA is ahead?

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with a funny similarity in all their sigs when you think about it.

Why isn't the 7970GE the HD4870 of the 280 era? Do people forget that Nvidia also has the GTX260 which directly competed with the HD4870 yet still had to lower the price of their flagship? We are basically back at 4870 (7970) vs 260 (770) with the 280(780) above them both, same as last time and same as last time we should see ~$500.

7970GE isnt the 4870 of the era... since the 4870 wasn't ahead of the GTX280, whereas the 7970ge is ahead of the GTX680. Also, the 4870 wasn't $450. And no, 780 at $500 makes no sense, its stupid, specially when NVIDIA is already ahead.

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Well those are synthetic and unconfirmed it would be rather odd since the memory bottleneck on the Titan isn't really there is it.

Rather odd... why? GTX780 is basically a cut-down Titan.

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Originally Posted by armando666 View Post

I went to sleep, and just as I expected; two kind of people arguing for higher prices

1. Titan owners who are praying that Nvidia establishes a new high baseline for flagship gpus, since they got ripped off, they want everyone else to feel the pain too
2. Nvidia reps acting as users

Pathetic . mad.gif

I'm neither... and what have you brought up for discussing? You are just calling people names...

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Yep, I posted that in this (maybe it was a different?) thread. That I had seen a 4gb 770 OC on a vendor smile.gif. EDIT: This thread, post #947 biggrin.gif http://www.overclock.net/t/1392393/vc-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-pictured-up-close-gallery/920_40#post_20018691 still a good find though wink.gif.

EDIT2: Found this http://www.micropolis.es/Buscador.aspx?Search=gtx780
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I don't understand what the fuss is about, really.
Rather odd... why? GTX780 is basically a cut-down Titan.
well because it has 2 SMX units less and less tmu's.
Therefor it falling withing 3/4 procent from the Titan with stock clocks being just 3x 13MHz higher than the Titan isn't likely.
In short impossible unless they improved the arch of the chip which they didn't as that would make this card almost better than Titan.
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Originally Posted by armando666 View Post

Are you taking our friendly bet, based on fuzzilla then? Please link it , and consider it so. tongue.gif

Go and find it, google is your friend.
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Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

well because it has 2 SMX units less and less tmu's.
Therefor it falling withing 3/4 procent from the Titan with stock clocks being just 3x 13MHz higher than the Titan isn't likely.
In short impossible unless they improved the arch of the chip which they didn't as that would make this card almost better than Titan.

Impossible? Are you kidding me?

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Look at the increase in frequency, number of shader cores and other rhings and, THEN, look at the increase in performance. The GTX680 is scaled around 10-15% (frequency, shaders... everything), and it gains around 10-15% extra performance.

What do you think will happen with 780 vs Titan, when you are going from 23xx to 25xx (10% increase, more or less), and a slight increase in clocks? You need to make improvements across the whole thing to get any changes at all... or you will end up in a bottleneck situations. Sure, in some tests you will get all the bonus, but in some you will get none. You can't simply add more SMX, not add any frequency, and say that the improvements are linear, because they aren't.
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