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post #1051 of 1081
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For 700 it does not but amd is very competitive with their 7970 and free games. Stop saying AMD has nothing to counter Nvidia. It is totally untrue.
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Please. Read my post again....and I was just quoting the arguments for him. rolleyes.gif
I do think that the AMD's graphic cards are still competitive against the 7XX series. thumb.gif
Because the 7xx series (except the 780) are re-brand of 6xx .

and really, you only noticed that quote from my post?! sniper.gif
Edited by KsnNwk - 5/22/13 at 8:16am
post #1052 of 1081
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Originally Posted by KsnNwk View Post

Your post was to long, so I only quote your name.
There is so many reason as why GTX 780 should cost 599$ as there as many reason why it should cost 700$.

All of these were posted on this thread countless times (that's why it has over 100 sides), so I don't want necessary waste my time and repeat them.

But 1 of these was that every x80 was around 15%-30% increase from last x80, and the price was always the same, and this time it's the same.
The GTX 780 gives around 20%-30% increase over the GTX 680, so I don't see a reason why it should cost more than any other version of the x80.


But then again, the N_V doesn't have a competition for it's GTX 7xx series.
But yet again, the GTX 7xx series is just rebrand of 6xx seires, except the 780.
It would cost 700$, because it has only around 5% difference from Titan.
But when it would cost only 500$-600$, it would sell like crazy...
and so on and on and on....
I heard many strong arguments from both sides (even when I was on the 700$ side, after I heard some arguments, I wesn't so sure myself).


We will see the pricing in less than 24h from now on.
Cheers

The thing is, why price the GTX780 at $500? There is no reason for NVIDIA to do it. At this moment, we have the following price brackets.

$450 - GTX680 and 7970GE
$350 - GTX670 and 7950

AMD is winning in both camps... yet NVIDIA keeps the price-scheme and, even more so, AMD is offering a fantastic bundle. At $450 you not only get the best single-gpu solution (sans Titan, but let's not account for it now), you ALSO get some fantastic games with your buy. And even though the performance AND the bundle... NVIDIA sits at the same price... and its always been the same.

So, if we accept the trend that NVIDIA will offer the same performance for more money, and accepting that AMD has nothing to counter this argument (sans lowering prices or offering more agressive bundles)...

Would NVIDIA price its GTX770 at below $450? NVIDIA won't price its 7970GE competing product below its competition. They have never done it: not even when the competition were outperforming them, not even when they were out-bundling them... why should they do it now? The minimum price we should expect for the 770, provided the 7970 GE doesn't change its price (I bet they don't have much margin with the bundle they offer)... is, at a minimum, $450.

At the same time, the minimum for the 780 to make any sense on top of that $450 770, is to be $650 (and my bet is $700 MSRP, although resellers might be inclined to move that price). 50% more ram and 20% more performance in games, and mooore performance in compute for... 40% more price. Sounds about what should be, or even on the cheap side of the things (hey, I'm talking cheap compared to what the market looks like, as my budget is more inclined to get a 7950, since once you factor the bundle its a STEAL, specially since we can get those 7950 for 250€ in Spain... and the GTX670 is like 80-10€ more expensive, and includes no games, a no-brainer to me)

I don't know, this is what my logic tells me. It will be kinda like the G80 situation (GTX 640mb overperforming the more expensive AMD counterpart) with a catch: the AMD product is already on the market, meaning that NVIDIA doesn't have to speculate.

At the end, its very different when you are first, or you are second. And its also different when you are already on top, or you aren't. NVIDIA knows his opponent cards, and isn't doing bad at all. No need to drop the margin per card when you are ahead.
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post #1053 of 1081
Did you guys see the 3DMark score for the 780? It's really close to the Titan, I guess the price would prob be around $800 for the 780. $500 doesn't sound that real anymore.
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post #1054 of 1081
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''

Please. Read my post again....and I was just quoting the arguments for him. rolleyes.gif
I do think that the AMD's graphic cards are still competitive against the 7XX series. thumb.gif
Because the 7xx series (except the 780) are re-brand of 6xx .

and really, you only noticed that quote from my post?! sniper.gif

Re-read to 1nd post. It applies to everyone, not just you.
post #1055 of 1081
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Do you have anything to address with what I've said, other than trying to claim hunting for the best price (like any normal buyer does) is somehow "cherry picking", then doing so yourself? I think people have said anything that could possibly be said by now, and we're 22 hours from launch so... yeah, I don't see the point.

No, no. My point is that, when we are comparing prices... we have to stay within a shop. If I say that spanish prices are stupid because the 7950 is 250€ in one shop, and the 7970 is 420€ on a different one... what am I comparing?

So, my comment was specific regarding the GTX780 price "leaks" on the UK. The price appeared on a shop... and somebody else said it was a "stupid price" because, on another shop, there was a XYZ difference between Titan. So, my point is that, if we are to compare price leaks, the only way to do it right is to analyze the context in which they are leaked: in a shop that has higher-than-normal prices, a $750 or a $650 780-leaked-price makes a HELL of a difference. On the other hand, you can't compare that leak (from the higher-than-normal price) to the existing price of a Titan in a normal or lower-than-normal prices, because you are not looking at things from perspective... and thus why "cherry picking".
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One thing people need to understand is:

speculating about a price =/= wanting that price.

Just because I make a guess on a price of the card doesn't mean I don't want it to be cheap. We aren't here to only post our hopes, we're here to discuss hardware and I see no reason to start continually posting that IB-E / 780 / etc. is only going to cost $250 max.

Exactly! I'm not stating my preference, I'm only analyzing what I see (because I love speculating). I'm too broke to buy anything near $400... and, looking at our local market, the card for me is a 7950... although I'm on my finals and my GTX460 works plenty for the little time I spend playing... specially since Dota 2 doesn't require a monster computer for it, hehehe.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ4g_J3CMfw , those guy have witten that tummorow he will make video with performance smile.gif it will be nice too lokk at it smile.gif
post #1057 of 1081
Well it just less than 24h left, we just have to wait and see. thumb.gif



Here is the 3DMark Benchmark, again.


well Like I wrote before even that 700$ would be good, since it's only 5% performance less than Titan.
Still if it would be only 599$, it would sell like hot cakes.
post #1058 of 1081
Asus Titan got a $20 price jump. Was previously $999.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121724

Could this be because of the GTX780 launch tomorrow?
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Just as it makes sense for a Seller to dictate the price at a certain price point, for whatever mumbo jumbo reasons, it makes as much sense for a Buyer not to accept it.
And, luckily the Buyer only needs one reason. tongue.gif
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Well it just less than 24h left, we just have to wait and see. thumb.gif



Here is the 3DMark Benchmark, again.


well Like I wrote before even that 700$ would be good, since it's only 5% performance less than Titan.
Still if it would be only 599$, it would sell like hot cakes.
It's going to sell like that ANYWAYS, hell, i have a Titan, and, for the right price, I want a couple,....
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