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Well if a 30% overall boost in performance is not considered "destroyed" then IDK what is. Especially when the 6XX series OC's better and more efficiently than the 5XX series.

Yep, and often way more than 30pct not to mention way cooler and quieter, plus better overclocking.
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The only games where the amount matters is less than 30% mostly, all others are far above playable.....

Destroyed to me is when a card delivers an outright better experience in demanding titles.....

We must be reading different charts....? And, have fun waiting for the next 8800gtx. It may be Volta if we are lucky.
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The only games where the amount matters is less than 30% mostly, all others are far above playable.....

Destroyed to me is when a card delivers an outright better experience in demanding titles.....

When I was looking over that list I kind of understand where you're coming from. It's like Ok, the 580 gets 80 fps in this game the 680 gets 120. It's perfectly playable on both. But here comes a game where the 580 gets 22 fps in, the 680 gets 30, both pretty much unplayable as well.

The point hes trying to make is that there really wasn't anything there that indicated the 680 made a game that was unplayable for the 580 playable on the 680. It's a legitimate way to look at things. We as OCN junkies are probably more focused on benchmarks and crunching numbers more so than actual real world performance.
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When I was looking over that list I kind of understand where you're coming from. It's like Ok, the 580 gets 80 fps in this game the 680 gets 120. It's perfectly playable on both. But here comes a game where the 580 gets 22 fps in, the 680 gets 30, both pretty much unplayable as well.

The point hes trying to make is that there really wasn't anything there that indicated the 680 made a game that was unplayable for the 580 playable on the 680. It's a legitimate way to look at things. We as OCN junkies are probably more focused on benchmarks and crunching numbers more so than actual real world performance.

IMO min frame rate is way more important and that is where the 680 shines vs. the 580. The overclocking ability and temps of the 680 are far more superior as well.
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IMO min frame rate is way more important and that is where the 680 shines vs. the 580. The overclocking ability and temps of the 680 are far more superior as well.

There's no debate from me, I'm just saying I can understand where he's coming from.

Anyways, I didn't realize the 680 was that much faster than the 580. I jumped from a 570 to a 680. The 780 should definitely not be priced more than the previous generation in this case.
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Yep, and often way more than 30pct not to mention way cooler and quieter, plus better overclocking.




Yes, yes, yes wink.gifthumb.gif

Another example:

Crysis 1

GTX 580 920/4200mhz
1080p very high = msaa4x, 50fps, 60fps FXAA

GTX 680 1280/7000mhz
1080p very high = msaa4x 70fps, 85fps FXAA

GTX 680 (and also GTX 670) destroys GTX 580
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It's going to be the same depending on who's reacting... same as every video card launch:

Titan owner: either "It's too little, LOL my titan's worthless" or "LOL, I knew my titan was a good buy". (which unless they're using that DP computational power, it really was just to get it a few weeks early at a much higher price other than a handful (literally) of extreme edge cases)
Radeon owner: "It's too high, LOL amd's going to destroy them. $XX is an outrage, talk about price gouging!" (as though a top-end card is an essential to life)
Anyone who just bought a high-end card recently: "Darnit, I should have waited..."
Anyone who was expecting super-high stratospheric near-Titan-remotely price ranges: "Wow, I knew it was going to be low! Just ordered two!" (even though they were saying the contrary a day before)
Anyone who was expecting normal-ish pricing: "Just clicked buy, mine's due in tomorrow!" (most people including the general gaming market that just knows a new card is coming soon and is oblivious to all of this rampant speculation)

That is, of course, barring it coming out at $979 biggrin.gif.
Love the Radeon owner bit rolleyes.gif Sometimes, i wish it was $700 just to see your reaction. Then you could see how much your precious corporation really cares about you.

And all of that is a silly generalization anyways.
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With the 7xx series launching, i hope the 670/680's drop a lot for me to grab one, drivers will be mature, and enough info on them for some OC goodness.

This would be the first time i have not bought a new line of card straight off though... (480 has lasted a silly amount of time)
The 480 was an amazing buy at launch. That card kept powering through every new generation of video cards without feeling slow.

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I think the majority of us dont necessarily need a new card. Performance jumps within the past few years has been pretty negligible in real world. Its the excitement and thrill of getting a new device and overclocking it imo. I dont even play that many games seriously anymore.

Im looking forward to trying sli for the first time and trying surround though. I got some really nice speakers recently and im hoping the surround experience is worth the effort

I belive its the future of pc gaming and what will continue to separate us from consoles

lol this. Can't remember the last time i sat down and put in more than an hour into video games whistle.gif but i do love that new hardware biggrin.gif
Edited by th3illusiveman - 5/20/13 at 8:26pm
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Yes, yes, yes wink.gifthumb.gif

Another example:

Crysis 1

GTX 580 920/4200mhz
1080p very high = msaa4x, 50fps, 60fps FXAA

GTX 680 1280/7000mhz
1080p very high = msaa4x 70fps, 85fps FXAA

GTX 680 (and also GTX 670) destroys GTX 580
Yay, so after 2 pages of people finally agreeing that 680 destroys 580 we've come back to my question about how anyone thinks a price like $700, $650 or even $600 could be remotely justified with GTX780 giving roughly the same performance jump that 680 gave over 580.

Because in order to get the performance jump that 680 gives over 580 (30-50%), that exact same jump from 680 onwards basically results in a Titan...which costs $1000.

I'm basically implying that Titan's performance should've made it a $700 GTX785 and then a $500-550 GTX780 would've made perfect sense.
Edited by Tippy - 5/20/13 at 9:24pm
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I'm basically implying that Titan's performance should've made it a $700 GTX785 and then a $500-550 GTX780 would've made perfect sense.

I agree, absolutely
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Yay, so after 2 pages of people finally agreeing that 680 destroys 580 we've come back to my question about how anyone thinks a price like $700, $650 or even $600 could be remotely justified with GTX780 giving roughly the same performance jump that 680 gave over 580.

Because in order to get the performance jump that 680 gives over 580 (30-50%), that exact same jump from 680 onwards basically results in a Titan...which costs $1000.

I'm basically implying that Titan's performance should've made it a $700 GTX785 and then a $500-550 GTX780 would've made perfect sense.

Well the compute on the Titan poops on 680. I don't even know if I really view Titan as a consumer card... It's basically a high end business/enthusiast card. Regardless, they did well with it and they're most likely complacent at the moment.

If the 780 is priced more than 500~600, then you'll know Nvidia is clearly trying to milk whatever they can until competition arrives. In terms of price to performance, I think 600 would still be a fair price.
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