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FIXED!

The only type of vibe I'm getting from you is someone who hopes (for the sake of his own purchase) that the 780 is a $700~$800 card so that you can justify what you spent on your Titan. You have the fastest single gpu card out there likely for another year or year and a half. Enjoy yourself.

There's reasonable and logical explanations for both sides of the coin. I can see the 780 selling for 700 and I can see it selling for 500 as well. There's good arguments for both.

When you purchased your Titan you knew the gaming performance for your buck was awful anyways. If the 780 does end up selling for 500, then you just have to swallow your pride and live with it. You can't tell me in the back of your mind you never thought of this possibility when you purchased the Titan.
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Exactly. Just as nVidia (and everyone) keeps saying, Titan was not a mainstream card or intended to really push on the normal market... it was like a "collector's edition" $150 box for a $40 game. Add in that for single cards, the Radeon 7970ghz still is around to put price pressure on the mainstream enthusiast range, and, well.... as you said.
Well, it's true though: they have your money, they don't really care now wink.gif. No need for attacks rolleyes.gif.
It's pretty obvious based on specs compared to Titan, and the Metro Last Light bench leak from guru3d that showed the 780 (in that test) as under 10% slower than the Titan.
That wasn't an attack Dude, i respect others, i am a reasonable guy, but, in my mind, a $500.00 780 would be great, i will even get a couple, put my Titan in my HTPC, but, it IS wishful thinking,....smile.gif
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The only type of vibe I'm getting from you is someone who hopes (for the sake of his own purchase) that the 780 is a $700~$800 card so that you can justify what you spent on your Titan. You have the fastest single gpu card out there likely for another year or year and a half. Enjoy yourself.

There's reasonable and logical explanations for both sides of the coin. I can see the 780 selling for 700 and I can see it selling for 500 as well. There's good arguments for both.

When you purchased your Titan you knew the gaming performance for your buck was awful anyways. If the 780 does end up selling for 500, then you just have to swallow your pride and live with it. You can't tell me in the back of your mind you never thought of this possibility when you purchased the Titan.
You have me confused with someone else, i could care less on how much one can score a 780 for, i am just stating my opinions on how MUCH it will cost. i could have bought a 690 if i were worried about being worried about the value of a single gpu card. i am not rich, but, i work hard to earn what i make, and, spend it accordingly, i just dropped about $300.00 on water cooling equipment and STILL haven't gottened it right. i am very happy with my purchase, and, when Nvidia put out a faster single gpu, i will be all over it, regardless the price,.....smile.gif PS, i WOULD be pissed if i HAD bought the 690 with that 2GB of ram though,.....
Edited by carlhil2 - 5/21/13 at 9:41pm
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8800GTX: $630
GTX 280: $650

What you're missing is that they only dropped the price because AMD dropped a bomb with the very low cost 4870. And Nvidia hasn't since then been in a situation where they had free reign over prices. They very much do like to price their big chips over $500 when they can. The reason they didn't with Fermi was that it wasn't fast enough.

Reason for fermi being $500: AMD
Reason for GTX280 price dropping: AMD
Reason for 8800GTX being $630: AMD

I'm not missing anything, I was around for (and watching!) those launches and well, every 3d accelerator launch that has ever occurred, so far smile.gif. Nvidia still isn't in a situation where they have free reign on pricing, really, either. As I said though, the GTX 280 was $500 a week after launch, so for all intents and purposes was 500 (they even gave refunds out to people who paid $650, if you go google around you'll find the articles from back then EDIT: here's a thread about it http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1325992). You could argue nVidia has been in a strong position for a long time now not much different from the past, also, but we've still seen $499 launches time after time. I don't think we'll see 499 at this point, but I'm much more confident in predicting $549-599, than $650+. I also wouldn't rule out an AMD response pretty quickly either, and nVidia knows that's a threat too.
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Holy cow... this thread is going too fast... I was off this thread for couples of hours and 400 more posts to read. x.x
 
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I'm not missing anything, I was around for (and watching!) those launches and well, every 3d accelerator launch that has ever occurred, so far smile.gif. Nvidia still isn't in a situation where they have free reign on pricing, really, either. As I said though, the GTX 280 was $500 a week after launch, so for all intents and purposes was 500 (they even gave refunds out to people who paid $650, if you go google around you'll find the articles from back then EDIT: here's a thread about it http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1325992). You could argue nVidia has been in a strong position for a long time now not much different from the past, also, but we've still seen $499 launches time after time. I don't think we'll see 499 at this point, but I'm much more confident in predicting $549-599, than $650+. I also wouldn't rule out an AMD response pretty quickly either, and nVidia knows that's a threat too.

The point still stands, the only reason for the price drop was the 4870/4850 releasing. And the 8800GTX stayed at high prices because AMD couldn't at that point deliver.

So what happens this time when AMD doesn't show up for the fight? Not immediately at least.
 
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The point still stands, the only reason for the price drop was the 4870/4850 releasing. And the 8800GTX stayed at high prices because AMD couldn't at that point deliver.

So what happens this time when AMD doesn't show up for the fight? Not immediately at least.

The 8800GTX was also a much larger performance boost and a whole new rendering architecture for video cards (unified shaders compared to fixed pipelines), basically double the prior generation, with an 8800GTS 640MB available for a much more reasonable price range that was still a great performer (I see a bit of a parallel here coming on...). We've yet to see anything like it since, and the 780 certainly won't be that kind of boost. Nvidia tried spiking the price once and got burnt (GTX 280). I personally have a preference towards nVidia and have for years now (I'm sure many regular posters know that), but I just don't see nVidia's super-strong position here compared to other launches the past several generations. I see them at a small advantage comparatively, but not to where they can aim for a giant price hike. Combine the threat of an AMD launch which, if they price too high, will result in a price drop being required (bad PR), the pretty much horrific world economy, the prior generation launches, etc. and in my opinion, I just don't see $650+ as very likely.
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Oh I don't think $650+ is very likely either though if I had to guess I would put it at $650 exactly.

But the $499-$549 guesses are pipe dreams
 
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I'm of the opinion that the 780 will be priced around the historical average price, possibly a little higher but not much. They need to keep their X80 series cards in the same historical price range as it is most likely a value that has been studied from both a profit margin as well as marketing perspective. The flagship card drives the sales of the cards that make Nvidia the most money, the $200-300 range. From a marketing perspective, Nvidia wants to get as many 780s into the hands of their target market as they can. This target market, like I said previously, has been studied and only has so much disposable income to shell out for a video card. They need that specific market to eat up their cut down GK110 and let that customer satisfaction and good word of mouth pass down to their GK104 line where they will be selling rehashed 670s like hotcakes as 760s.

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When did nVidia price anything fairly w/o competition? They are fighting 7970 with 770 which leaves the rest of the market space empty. And there is the Titan to consider too so 780 doesn't hinder it's sale being only 10-15% slower.
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