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it's all in good fun to me, I have nothing better to do until launch. tongue.gif

A 780 launching for 700-800+? If that honestly happened i'd probably look at ATI's offerings, even though I prefer Nvidia. That price point would bother me enough to make me want to jump ship and not support the company. It would be obvious price gouging based on historical trends.

I also don't think the 770 will sell for $500. It's a rehash of last generation and only has 2gb vram. I'd be really shocked to see that thing launch at $500+
Well, since they are going to be my birthday present, which falls in June, it's either another Titan, 2 780's, if the price is under $600.00, or, wait and get 2 770 Beefed up editions!
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Well, since they are going to be my birthday present, which falls in June, it's either another Titan, 2 780's, if the price is under $600.00, or, wait and get 2 770 Beefed up editions!

I personally don't see the point in getting the GTX 770 unless the price is lower or the same as a GTX 680.
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Can't believe we are still arguing with each other over the price of these cards when the release is just a little over 24 hrs away! 2010rig was kind enough to stalk me remind me how many times I've said the 780 will not be $500 and I stand by that claim. From the beginning I've said $599 and I'm going back to that guess. I was starting to think that considering the performance parity with Titan that Nvidia may price this thing at $650 or even $700 but I think some of you guys are right in that they can't completely write off AMD's still strong 7970GE for just $450. At the same time I think its ludicrous to expect a $500 780 considering the fact that it is a 90% Titan and that price would chop all of us Titan owners off at the knees. After having spent the kind of money we did for our cards we deserve a little bit of exclusivity for our money especially considering AMD has nothing to threaten Nvidia with. If the 9970 were to be releasing in a month I could see Nvidia having to keep prices lower but with no forseeable competition they should price the 780 at a level that will keep an aura of exceptionalism surrounding the GK110. A $600-$650 price would do that nicely IMO. Of course none of our opinions amount to a hill of beans and we will all know for sure what it will cost in a few more hours...
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I've been finding plenty of placeholder listings popping up at 1 cent or ~$1050 tonight... interesting tidbit, Gigabyte will have a 4GB GTX 770 OC model for, presumably, launch day of those cards (May 30th). One site I found claims to have the 780 cards in stock on their status, haha... but you can't add it to the cart or anything.
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Can't believe we are still arguing with each other over the price of these cards when the release is just a little over 24 hrs away! 2010rig was kind enough to stalk me remind me how many times I've said the 780 will not be $500 and I stand by that claim. From the beginning I've said $599 and I'm going back to that guess. I was starting to think that considering the performance parity with Titan that Nvidia may price this thing at $650 or even $700 but I think some of you guys are right in that they can't completely write off AMD's still strong 7970GE for just $450. At the same time I think its ludicrous to expect a $500 780 considering the fact that it is a 90% Titan and that price would chop all of us Titan owners off at the knees. After having spent the kind of money we did for our cards we deserve a little bit of exclusivity for our money especially considering AMD has nothing to threaten Nvidia with. If the 9970 were to be releasing in a month I could see Nvidia having to keep prices lower but with no forseeable competition they should price the 780 at a level that will keep an aura of exceptionalism surrounding the GK110. A $600-$650 price would do that nicely IMO. Of course none of our opinions amount to a hill of beans and we will all know for sure what it will cost in a few more hours...

I don't really see any arguing just speculation and prices obtained from e-tailers. And if you considered the last few posts to be arguing isn't that what you're doing. I also think its equally unbelievable that this thread was initially about a image a Graphics card with no specs just images.
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post #946 of 1081
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I don't really see any arguing just speculation and prices obtained from e-tailers. And if you considered the last few posts to be arguing isn't that what you're doing. I also think its equally unbelievable that this thread was initially about a image a Graphics card with no specs just images.

That wasn't a criticism, I've been arguing as well! redface.gif I just can't believe the argument is still going...
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That wasn't a criticism, I've been arguing as well! redface.gif I just can't believe the argument is still going...
Ahh, ok my bad
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To add more fire with some facts tongue.gif

They want to cut off AMD with as little effort as possible. They think new memory on GTX 680 will do that, selling the same crippled chip as 770, so they have a clear space in front of them to price as high as possible with, again, crippled Tesla, which they brought to the gamers b/c AMD got the single-GPU crown. I just hope ppl will buy 7970 over 770 b/c it's a better card overall with more OCing headroom.
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To add more fire with some facts tongue.gif

They want to cut off AMD with as little effort as possible. They think new memory on GTX 680 will do that, selling the same crippled chip as 770, so they have a clear space in front of them to price as high as possible with, again, crippled Tesla, which they brought to the gamers b/c AMD got the single-GPU crown. I just hope ppl will buy 7970 over 770 b/c it's a better card overall with more OCing headroom.

Not for me, Just sold my 7970 for £300 so I'm getting a 780 If the price(you know the rest).
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Titan is a boutique product. It's there for the blink, image and status it grants. That's the reason it doesn't even have a code after GTX, and that is the very same reason a GTX780 won't cost $499 or anything close to it.

But hey, let's imagine that a GTX780 will cost $499. This is what happens:

-Titan sells will automatically go to the toilet. Who would pay 2x the money, to get the same chip with just 20% more performance? Some would, but a lot less than they did. People with business/compute needs wouldn't, for instance. Also, everybody that bought a Titan will feel terribly insulted, and you don't want to piss your highest payers off.

-GTX770. Would you buy it for $399? No, you wouldn't. Why? The GTX780 will offer 50% more vram, and will perform probably in the neighborhood or 15-20% more. So, for a 25% price increase, you get a 15-20% performance increse AND 50% more vram. That seems too good to be truth, since scaling is NEVER linear.

-So, what would the price be for the GTX770? To make any sense at all, if would have to be below $349. At that price point, you are into the GTX660 Ti territory... and you have plunged through half your market-segment.

So, all in all, a GTX780 won't cost $499. It simply can't unless NVIDIA wants to drop all their prices by 20-30%, which they won't do.


Now, lets imagine a different sceneario: GTX780 will cost $599.

-Titan sells go to the toilet, almost the same as before.

-GTX770 would have to be priced at no more than $450 and, even at that price point, the performance increase to the GTX780 will be almost linear, because you not only will get a better chip, with more bandwidth and performance, you also get 50% more ram. Still, lets accept $450 for the GTX770.

-The GTX760 Ti... what do we do? Price it at $350? $300? You will kill everything below it, and there is no refresh for it.

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All in all, from all the scenarios, the only one that makes any sense, considering the only one moving positions is NVIDIA (if they needed to drop the prices they wouldn't need another series), is to price GTX780 at or above $699. This way, you still make the Titan not that stupid to buy, since it gives you double the ram and some more performance, and you can price the GTX770 without killing everything nor being a stupid decision.

At the end of the day, this ain't even a refresh, but a rebadge. Unless all the rumors are fake, we are getting the GK104 and the GK110 with some simple tweaks on them, nothing too fancy, and nothing that requires such a "crash" into the prices.

PS: your comment stating the GTXx80 is true... but this will be the first time EVER that the next GTXx80 will be outperformed on day one by an existing single-gpu card from the same company. None of the other x80 NVIDIA cards were ever in that situation, none, which makes precisely this situation a unique one.

PSS: the way I see it, NVIDIA doesn't like that the 7970 and 7950 are directly competing to their GTX680 and GTX670, and wants to remedy such situation. So, in order to stabilize the market and counter the bundles and whatnot, they are releasing just a rehash to keep the GTXx80 and the x70 above the 7970 and 7950 respectively. Because they don't need a new chip to do so, they will simply boost frequencies and keep, more or less, the same price/peformance the older products had (GTX680's price will be inherited by the GTX770, and so on), and they will put the GTX780 as untouchable by AMD no matter what they try, whilst keeping the Titan as their "boutique" product.
Do you not understand the meaning of "end of life"? The 600 series are at their end of life cycle, these new cards are here to REPLACE them not sell beside them.... New faster GPUs replace the older slower ones at the same price, why is this so alien to you when it happens every generation? I don't get you guys.
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