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Is there any notable benefit to using a server/workstation motherboard over a standard motherboard. I get that there is the ECC RAM and possibly better RAID controllers, but that aside is it really worth getting the server/workstation boards over a Z77 or something like that?
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home use no need really, mission critical servers in enterprise solutions definatly worth ECC RAM
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forgot to say that they are for a windows server, file server, backup server, nas server duties. nothing too intensive though.
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forgot to say that they are for a windows server, file server, backup server, nas server duties. nothing too intensive though.

save money on the expense of EEC RAM and use a desktop board with standard DDR3. you can look at RAID cards if you like for your servers and if your using 1-2TB drives something like Dell Perc/5i or 6i RAID cards are cheap on ebay.
http://www.overclock.net/t/359025/perc-5-i-raid-card-tips-and-benchmarks
or the money you save on RAM you could look at newer RAID cards, LSI and adaptec make good ones too
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post #5 of 6
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Is there any notable benefit to using a server/workstation motherboard over a standard motherboard. I get that there is the ECC RAM and possibly better RAID controllers, but that aside is it really worth getting the server/workstation boards over a Z77 or something like that?

Sever motherboard advantages include:

- Most decent boards include remote KVM or at least IPMI manageability so that you can access the server/console in the event of an operating system crash. A decent remote management solution will actually let you do a bare-metal recovery or install a fresh operating system without even sticking a CD in the machine or being at the keyboard while you do the work.

- Most real server motherboards also have server-grade Ethernet chipsets on them. Even the Intel Ethernet chipsets on (82579, for example) on desktop motherboards are usually not supported with server operating systems like VMware or Windows 2008 R2 or Windows 2012. Linux supports just about everything, so that's not an issue under Linux.

- ECC RAM is supported on a lot of desktop boards too, BUT only if the CPU supports it. For example, the Intel X79 chipset supports ECC, but ONLY if you use a Intel Xeon processor on the board. Stick a i7-3930K or 3820 in the socket, and ECC is disabled because the CPU doesn't support ECC with it's integrated memory controller. A lot of AMD boards support ECC, even for workstation/desktop processors.

Do NOT underestimate the advantages of ECC in a server where large amounts of memory may sit unchanged for a long period of time. Cosmic rays, RF/EMI emissions in the environment, etc., can all have a nasty effect of causing "bit flipping" in memory. It might not happen that often, but when it does - single-bit ECC detection and correction can mean the difference between a crash, bad data being written to disk, or some other difficulty to track and fix problem.

Greg
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So basically I probably should get either a high end X79 board or a server/workstation class board since the servers will be critical in the long run. I should also be using ECC RAM for the same reasons.

Thanks for the info guys smile.gif You'll be seeing this info put to use in the ultimate rig section. Hopefully I win and can put the rack together and implement everything biggrin.gif
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