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45 seconds is an awfully long time to be looking at a load bar.

Not when your childhood was Commodore/Amiga biggrin.gif

Switching disks was a PITA, but I got TWO FDD's tongue.gif
   
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I am going to check out Steam Mover when I get home..

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

RAM disk is very expensive for what you are getting in terms of performance.

Well, the way I look at it is, I probably paid $120 for the ramdisk. I spent $240 total on memory, but I would've needed half of that anyway since your system needs like 16GB of RAM. I run quite a few apps (bitcoin app takes over a gig of RAM, utorrent sometimes goes up pretty high as well, and I leave a ton of browser tabs open), and using a page file nowadays is absolutely ridiculous.

It's also substantially faster then an SSD (though much smaller), and you don't have to worry about write endurance since you can write to RAM pretty much an infinite amount of times without it wearing out.
post #13 of 34
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I am going to check out Steam Mover when I get home..

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

RAM disk is very expensive for what you are getting in terms of performance.
I guess 7-10GB/s sequential is bad performance. It is expensive in terms of capacity, but the performance is just plain stupid.

Difference is, unlike the SSD, I can just unmount the ramdisk and use my ram when I need it, which would be putting it to its "correct" use, justifying the cost.
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Been playing Planet Side 2 since Christmas like this.

But, i tried some games and it seems to make little notice but i notice a difference with Planet Side 2 and its my daily go-to game so i want it the best i can get it wink.gif

I dont have the ramdisk saved upon shutdown as that would cause a big delay in reboot times, i have a copy of the ramdisk image saved to one of my internal drives and when theres a game update i also then update my ramdisk image, kinda a pain in the butt with PS2 at the mo as theres lots of updates.
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I guess 7-10GB/s sequential is bad performance. It is expensive in terms of capacity, but the performance is just plain stupid.

Difference is, unlike the SSD, I can just unmount the ramdisk and use my ram when I need it, which would be putting it to its "correct" use, justifying the cost.

What I think he means is for the the typical user they won't get much out of it.

There's enterprise applications where companies spend millions on TBs of ramdisk storage for performance reasons. (And the volatile nature of RAM in those cases is irrelevant. That's only an issue with those systems if you're being cheap or stupid, since they typically have battery backup inside the system, battery backup for their entire datacenter, and generators for their datacenter)
post #16 of 34
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Well, 15 seconds vs 45 seconds (for a SSD) is a massive difference.

It's not so much initial loads that's an issue, it's if you get to a part where you need to reload a few times it becomes a big deal. Short load = no big deal. Long load = give up.

45 seconds is an awfully long time to be looking at a load bar.

My experience with Crysis/warhead on SSDs was not 45 second load times, much less. (that youtube vid was HDD vs RDSK BTW, and I personally haven't even seen loads that long even on HDD).
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My experience with Crysis/warhead on SSDs was not 45 second load times, much less. (that youtube vid was HDD vs RDSK BTW, and I personally haven't even seen loads that long even on HDD).

Oh, ok.. Maybe the guy has a crappy system then, or is on a dell or something.

I wonder where the bottleneck is, since it's obviously not on the storage media anymore.
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In my experience, the benefits of a RAMDisk can vary greatly from game to game.
For example I can load a level in Metro Last Light in less than 1 second, but in games like Skyrim the difference is much less. (but still worth it for me)

The only problem I have now is that games load so fast now that I don't have time to read the hints on the loading screen.

I also tested a bunch of RAMDisks here

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I've seen a few vids on youtube of games like Skyrim comparing RAMdisk to SSD, and the gains were nowhere near what I'd hoped.

EDIT: http://youtu.be/1Af2uT7bsEY?t=1m35s

The fact that he uses a camera instead of a screen capture program tells you all you need to know, I wouldn't put much trust in his results.
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...in games like Skyrim the difference is much less. (but still worth it for me)

What about streaming hitches? I don't give a rat's arse about initial load times to be honest - they haven't bothered me for years. It's the in-game loading that's the important thing, and where I was really hoping ramdisks would shine. BTW, 1 second loads in Last Light is no spectacular feat if the game is anything like 2033 - loads are only 2 seconds off a wd6400aaks.
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What about streaming hitches? I don't give a rat's arse about initial load times to be honest - they haven't bothered me for years. It's the in-game loading that's the important thing, and where I was really hoping ramdisks would shine. BTW, 1 second loads in Last Light is no spectacular feat if the game is anything like 2033 - loads are only 2 seconds off a wd6400aaks.

Do you have any video where I could see such hitches? I'm not quite sure what you mean.


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Oh, ok.. Maybe the guy has a crappy system then, or is on a dell or something.

He obviously made the RAMDisk too big and didn't leave enough RAM for the system and the game.
So now the game hits the pagefile every time it loads something, which completely defeats the purpose of the RAMDisk.
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