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Poll Results: Will you continue to use Ubuntu if they keep this up.

 
  • 16% (7)
    Yes, I do not care about my privacy
  • 11% (5)
    No, This really is ergregious
  • 72% (31)
    Who the hell uses ubuntu anyway? Not Me.
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post #11 of 71
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Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

First statement, non-free software.

First thought, same old Stallman.

Second statement, Spyware via the One search menu.

Second thought, can be turned off.

Third statement, Stating that you CAN change the 'spyware' features.

Third thought, yup so why worry.



Final thoughts, same old Stallman.


Anyways, same old news. This is nothing new since it's been here since Unity's inception.

This. We all know that Stallman hates Ubuntu, but those 'malicious features' can be turned off or uninstalled. Not that anybody cares about them though.
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Trust me if it was a troll i would have picked a different method to troll. the bottom line is. even if you CAN turn it off. you shouldnt have too. weather you like stallman or not. what he says in that video is true and to the point. the fact that so many people are quick to suggest ubuntu as a new user distro is also what makes it alarming because most of those people have no clue about whats happening or how to turn off those features. and personally the idea of someone scoffing at it because they can turn it off is kinda of scary too. it shouldnt even be in the code.

 

everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Im just sharing some facts that may or may not be old to some people. I assure you this is still news to a lot of novice users.

    
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everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Im just sharing some facts that may or may not be old to some people. I assure you this is still news to a lot of novice users.

Having installed Ubuntu on a newer machine the other day, I can assure you it isn't. As you have to accept such agreements or turn them off when using the software centre / store. It even tells you it's under the privacy tab, and if you're really that concerned you can Google how to remove it completely.

Get all of the facts before trying to state them. This is old news from last year.

One article from Sept, 2012 : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/27/ubuntu_amazon_button_on_hold/

( First result on Google by searching " Ubuntu Privacy " ), don't feel like digging for older ones.
post #14 of 71
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Trust me if it was a troll i would have picked a different method to troll. the bottom line is. even if you CAN turn it off. you shouldnt have too. weather you like stallman or not. what he says in that video is true and to the point. the fact that so many people are quick to suggest ubuntu as a new user distro is also what makes it alarming because most of those people have no clue about whats happening or how to turn off those features. and personally the idea of someone scoffing at it because they can turn it off is kinda of scary too. it shouldnt even be in the code.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Im just sharing some facts that may or may not be old to some people. I assure you this is still news to a lot of novice users.

While I agree its utter BS that Ubuntu has allowed this kind of influence in their software, I can't blame them; something that has that much of a development team needs funding from somewhere, and donations usually don't cut it. I can also see an easy solution to the problem - a checkbox. Just like the ones they use for proprietary codecs (MP3, etc..) have it checked by default - but have the option to disable it at install. This keeps everyone happy. If you don't care, or enjoy the feature - leave it checked. If you do care, are paranoid, or find it annoying - uncheck it.

I hate being a software developer with extensive end-user experience, things like this seem blatantly obvious. IT SHOULD BE AN OPTION IN THE FIRST PLACE. PERIOD. The lack of focus on end-user experience in modern software development blows my freaking mind. Case in point: tutorial levels in video games - the ones you can't skip or disable via some menu option. WHO IN THE WORLD DECIDED THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA? Replay value of your game: 0. I'm not going to sit through your stupid tutorial again.
    
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Trust me if it was a troll i would have picked a different method to troll. the bottom line is. even if you CAN turn it off. you shouldnt have too.

Even though you can post a silly thread, you shouldn't don't have to to. wink.gif
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everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

My opinion is that your opinion lacks merit. My alternative opinion, if I'm feeling particularly troll-happy, is that you are not entitled to your opinion.
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Im just sharing some facts that may or may not be old to some people.

Key word: some

Presenting half of the truth, while not technically lying, can be equally deceiving.
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I assure you this is still news to a lot of novice users.

The mere existance of Ubuntu is news to a lot of novice users. Point?
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IT SHOULD BE AN OPTION IN THE FIRST PLACE. PERIOD. The lack of focus on end-user experience in modern software development blows my freaking mind.

So very true.
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IT SHOULD BE AN OPTION IN THE FIRST PLACE. PERIOD. The lack of focus on end-user experience in modern software development blows my freaking mind.

I agree it should be made easier and given the option to do so during install, or maybe a quick pop up after install asking what you would like, but it's only natural ( as a business standpoint ) to have it enabled by default.

But if people think they can do better, then they need to quit talking and start putting up or shutting up. People bash Canonical for their decisions but forget that they are a business at the end of the day, and have to make certain decisions that not everyone is going to like, and sometimes decisions that even they don't like. For those who don't like it, they don't have to use the Unity / Ubuntu One interface, or even the distribution as a whole. Or they could just disable / uninstall the Amazon crap and live their lives. This is Linux after all, we have that option.
post #17 of 71
While I agree with stallman and the op on this one (despite being able to turn it off), this thread is pointless. It's not news, everyone knows, everyone who cares has already left (if they didn't leave before for some of the many other reasons) and this seems like the op just got board and thought with all the ubuntu hate, everyone would bandwagon on a story that been out for months.

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This fire already burned

that sums it up. Everyone who cares left or turned it off. It's not like they don't know, it's right in your god damm face every time you open the dash.
post #18 of 71
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Second thought, can be turned off.

Assuming that you know how, and assuming that you know that it's even on. The option is not advertised. Part of the point (but certainly not all of it) that Stallman was making is that this feature operates without your explicit consent. In fact, unless you happen to access the settings via the dock, you'll quite possibly search for privacy settings in order to disable it, which means your privacy has been violated in the act of trying to preserve it.
    
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post #19 of 71
I agree with the OP, this garbage shouldn't be in the code in the first place. They should still strive to keep the OS lean even if it is intended to be a bloated distro, if you get what I mean.
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I'm kind of on RMS's side with his Amazon complaint. It was pretty bad form for Canonical to have such a feature enabled by default. I can't understand why they did it (Ubuntu is bleeding money) but it just seem the wrong way to go about generating cash.

However I really don't think Amazon issue is reason enough to advocate people stop using Ubuntu. Frankly, I could list a whole plethora of reasons why people "shouldn't" use Ubuntu if I really wanted to troll, but the crux of the matter is Ubuntu it to Linux what NT was to VMS: dumbed down and accessible to the masses. Just so long as I can continue to run Linux & BSD then I couldn't give a rats arse what RMS nor any other elitist thinks.
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