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Poll Results: Will you continue to use Ubuntu if they keep this up.

 
  • 16% (7)
    Yes, I do not care about my privacy
  • 11% (5)
    No, This really is ergregious
  • 72% (31)
    Who the hell uses ubuntu anyway? Not Me.
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post #31 of 71
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Originally Posted by jrl1357 View Post

layman maybe. Anyone in the IT world has far more knowledge and respect for Red Hat. The point is that if the product is good enough, people will buy. In Red Hat's case they buy for the services and support, or otherwise use CentOS. Ubuntu has a likewise deal, if they were really good enough to compete with Red Hat they would be generating money from services then from adware. It is completely possible for a company to make money on open source with out what Ubuntu is doing (Unity, Mir, amazon)

Redhat is not home user oriented at all. Ubuntu is not business oriented at all. If you're going to make an argument at least make a valid one.
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post #32 of 71
I love the hippie idea that something can ever be truly free. Guys there is no such thing as truly "free" software. Somewhere along the line someone is paying for it with time and effort at the very least. A free distribution of any kind of OS with support and updates is just nuts. There has to be a staff to support and keep it moving in the direction it is heading and that staff has to be paid. So if they give away the software they have to make some kind of income somewhere to pay that staff.
post #33 of 71
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Originally Posted by Zero4549 View Post

Redhat is not home user oriented at all. Ubuntu is not business oriented at all. If you're going to make an argument at least make a valid one.
That's not entirely fair though. Fedora is end user orientated (though not "dumb user" orientated like Ubuntu). And Ubuntu Server is very much business orientated. So there is definitely enough overlap between the two businesses to make comparisons - even if Redhat and Canonical's core business are at opposite ends of computing.
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I love the hippie idea that something can ever be truly free. Guys there is no such thing as truly "free" software. Somewhere along the line someone is paying for it with time and effort at the very least. A free distribution of any kind of OS with support and updates is just nuts. There has to be a staff to support and keep it moving in the direction it is heading and that staff has to be paid. So if they give away the software they have to make some kind of income somewhere to pay that staff.

Traditionally, that comes in the form of corporate sponsorship rather than capitalising on the end users. Which is why the Amazon deal Canonical have made has caused so much debate.
post #34 of 71
Sponsorship and support contracts.

I bet Stallman smells like patchouli.
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post #35 of 71
Say what you want about Stallman, he's right. The idea of intellectual property has laid waste to progress in software since inception and continues to do harm to the community while lining the pockets of those who can afford to hold the patents. The mere idea that someone can hold a patent to vaguely describe an idea and use it to successfully sue a developer who puts in effort to produce the software on their own is criminal. What Canonical is acquiesing to does nothing but harm to the community. Making deals with the devil to get Linux out there into the mainstream consciousness may be the intent, but if the result ends up being more money to patent-holding corporate entities then it's all for naught, isn't it?
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post #36 of 71
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Say what you want about Stallman, he's right.

And no one has ever said he is wrong. But his methodology and execution of it is what is always questioned with him. If he came off a bit a less of a evangelist and more of someone who cared without trying to force his views onto others, people would listen to him more. His strong views towards such matters is exactly what's hurting him in the long run, he has no hold on his emotions which makes him come across as a conspiracy elitist nut case 99% of the time.
post #37 of 71
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layman maybe. Anyone in the IT world has far more knowledge and respect for Red Hat. The point is that if the product is good enough, people will buy. In Red Hat's case they buy for the services and support, or otherwise use CentOS. Ubuntu has a likewise deal, if they were really good enough to compete with Red Hat they would be generating money from services then from adware. It is completely possible for a company to make money on open source with out what Ubuntu is doing (Unity, Mir, amazon)

Mainstream media doesn't really talk about the IT world generally, so while RH does have a face it's not the big mainstream face. That was the whole point of the comment. Ubuntu's commin out with Ubuntu based tablets, Ubuntu roms for phones... We are talking some pretty big retail outlets, stuff the general user is concerned with.

That's where I was going, their end goal is totally different than RH. They want the phone/tablet you use now to be Ubuntu. The computers used every day by the general public to be Ubuntu. That's a much different goal and the people they have to fight for that are extremely aggressive.

Honestly you can talk about other Linux distributions making money all you want. While they may have models that work for the current markets where Linux already thrives in, it might not fly elsewhere. I'd like to see those same business models take on MS/OSX in the consumer market.
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post #38 of 71
The amazon thing as been exagerated way to much, unity is a good DE.
If you have issues with that, use xubuntu.
If you're still complaining, help fix the problem rather than complaining. Once you've run a few hundred testcases, people will listen.
post #39 of 71
Honestly...I have to ask just how much worse can this Amazon thing the OP has built his straw man around be compared to the same privacy compromise you consent everyday using a cell phone or the internet itself? I mean what do you guys think about Google? Who's doing more harm to Linux? Them or Canonical?

As for Canonical...if they really do continue down the path of shunning the rest of the community then so be it. We'll move on. Isn't that one of the great things we joke about being a bad thing of the Linux world? The whole fork it whenever some devs get into a philosophical fight until we have forks of forks that forked from a fork? I mean I'm not going to be happy if KDE won't work with Mir and it disrupts Kubuntu...but then I guess I'll have to make the time for an Arch/Archbang or Bodhi run again.
     
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post #40 of 71
I wouldn't use it because it sounds silly. You go and tell someone that you have Ubuntu on your computer let alone pronounce it, and most of the population wouldn't know what you are talking about lachen.gif
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