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So I was planning on buying a NZXT H630 to put two 360 radiators in but theres still room for a 120 radiator at the bottom. Was wondering if adding it would actually benefit or not. At first I thought of sandwiching a 360 rad at the front because you can see theres so much room left but google quickly showed me that sandwiching is bad. But I couldn't really find any examples of this easily.

Example:



pump/reservoir>cpu>360 rad>trifire gfx>120 rad>360 rad
Edited by amvnz - 5/19/13 at 11:32pm
post #2 of 21
Loop order really doesn't matter much. So yes it would be fine.
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The more rad space the merrier, although you will need to find space for your hard drives.
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Yeah that would do the trick since your upper rad will be fed with cool air from the rear
currently using similar method on my rig
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With rads water is cooled as it flows through them multiple times circling in the loop, from what I understand going from a rad to another rad is a waste since it is outputing delta temp waters from one into another then to your pump combo. It is understandble going from your rad> res combo to rad then cpu through loop etc as that gives your cpu the coolest water as it isnt warm from the pump motor hope it makes sense.
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With rads water is cooled as it flows through them multiple times circling in the loop, from what I understand going from a rad to another rad is a waste since it is outputing delta temp waters from one into another then to your pump combo. It is understandble going from your rad> res combo to rad then cpu through loop etc as that gives your cpu the coolest water as it isnt warm from the pump motor hope it makes sense.
the order of the loop has a really mini tiny micro impact on the water temp
the water temp really counted as one (the whole loop system)

tried what you said in the past and really, my internal temp monitor didn't even change

for me its all about the tube aesthetic
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With rads water is cooled as it flows through them multiple times circling in the loop, from what I understand going from a rad to another rad is a waste since it is outputing delta temp waters from one into another then to your pump combo. It is understandble going from your rad> res combo to rad then cpu through loop etc as that gives your cpu the coolest water as it isnt warm from the pump motor hope it makes sense.

Practically every radiator on the market ( Except for the Aquacomputer ) are simple U flow dual pass rads. water flows down tubes on one side and back up on the other side. Slim rads have one row of tubes and thicker rads have two or three but they are just simple U flow still. The extra tubes of the thicker rads just reduces restriction because the water has twice or three times the number of tubes to flow through.

The order of components in a loop, as long as flow is reasonable, has very little impact on temps. The temp increase between components is usually less than a single degree but the whole loop increases by something like 10C over ambient or even more. Radiators only work if the water in them is warmer than the air going through them. They do not return the water to ambient temperature or even close.
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Practically every radiator on the market ( Except for the Aquacomputer ) are simple U flow dual pass rads. water flows down tubes on one side and back up on the other side. Slim rads have one row of tubes and thicker rads have two or three but they are just simple U flow still. The extra tubes of the thicker rads just reduces restriction because the water has twice or three times the number of tubes to flow through.

The order of components in a loop, as long as flow is reasonable, has very little impact on temps. The temp increase between components is usually less than a single degree but the whole loop increases by something like 10C over ambient or even more. Radiators only work if the water in them is warmer than the air going through them. They do not return the water to ambient temperature or even close.

you can get close to ambient. you just need exponentially more rads the closer you are to ambient to achieve the same improvement than if the delta was much larger
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instead of putting the 120 in the bottom I'd put a thicker rad in the front, maybe 1 of the monsta 80mm rads you'd probably get better temps with a 80mm 360 then adding a 30mm 120 imo. smile.gif
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I use 2 rads, a performance xspc triple that goes to cpu then from cpu I go to the second rad, a 240, then to the vid card, and on to the pump/res, then she starts all over again.
Edited by nasrott - 5/20/13 at 6:13am
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