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Here is a quick build a GTX 650Ti seems to be just enough for SCII. As far as CPU goes, you are going to want an intel chip, SCII is not heavily threaded, but is very cpu intensive. It loves CPUs with good single threaded performance.

Now, I don't know how much VRAM SCII uses, but as long as you are playing at 1080p or below, I would assume 1GB of VRAM is enough. If you want to put AA on max, you probably should look into a 2GB GTX 650 Ti.

I added a 1TB HDD for storage, so you could always remove that if you wanted to save a little bit of money.
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Would like to go with a Ivy solution, but still, a I5-3470 is 230$..
What about a I3-3220 = 146$? (then a I5 could be a future upgrade..)

The GTX 650 TI would be a great solution, when looking at the price.
I could get:
Gigabyte N65TOC-1GI (1 GB) = 167$
PNY GeForce GTX 650 Ti (1 GB) = 177$
or even:
Gigabyte N65TOC-2GI (2 GB) = 184$

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it would help if you give us a site where you might get these parts.

I'd go with the Phenom build if you end up chosing between the two builds BUT pick a 2X 2Gb Ram to take advantage of the Dual channel mode for both configurations. Maybe give up the ssd for now and go for a cheaper HDD and channel that savings to an i5 IVY build or a stronger gpu like the 7870.

www.edbpriser.dk - Danish site ;-)

Makes sense with the RAM, but I think I will go for 2x4GB (if that makes sense?), as the RAM is the cheapest component of the build ;-)

But, I guess that if I go with a HDD instead of a SSD, and I downgrade the GPU to a GTX 650 TI, I could afford a I5.. But then I would be left with a "slow" HDD and a not-too-good GPU.. Where as if I choose to go with the G870 (or maybe a I3-3220), I "only" need to upgrade the CPU in a future scenario, instead of having to upgrade both the HDD->SSD (pretty time consuming, with all the reinstallations) and the GPU..

But on the other hand, if the CPU is the most important piece when considering a good performance in SC2, then maybe I shouldn't be so focused on the GPU....
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Would like to go with a Ivy solution, but still, a I5-3470 is 230$..
What about a I3-3220 = 146$? (then a I5 could be a future upgrade..)

The GTX 650 TI would be a great solution, when looking at the price.
I could get:
Gigabyte N65TOC-1GI (1 GB) = 167$
PNY GeForce GTX 650 Ti (1 GB) = 177$
or even:
Gigabyte N65TOC-2GI (2 GB) = 184$
www.edbpriser.dk - Danish site ;-)

Makes sense with the RAM, but I think I will go for 2x4GB (if that makes sense?), as the RAM is the cheapest component of the build ;-)

But, I guess that if I go with a HDD instead of a SSD, and I downgrade the GPU to a GTX 650 TI, I could afford a I5.. But then I would be left with a "slow" HDD and a not-too-good GPU.. Where as if I choose to go with the G870 (or maybe a I3-3220), I "only" need to upgrade the CPU in a future scenario, instead of having to upgrade both the HDD->SSD (pretty time consuming, with all the reinstallations) and the GPU..

But on the other hand, if the CPU is the most important piece when considering a good performance in SC2, then maybe I shouldn't be so focused on the GPU....

I would probably go with a 2GB GTX 650 Ti. You can go with an Ivy pentium or an i3. For SCII it should be good enough. An i5 was just a precaution. Try to keep a SSD in there as it will make the system feel much faster.
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I would probably go with a 2GB GTX 650 Ti. You can go with an Ivy pentium or an i3. For SCII it should be good enough. An i5 was just a precaution. Try to keep a SSD in there as it will make the system feel much faster.

How about a Pentium G2020 with a GTX 660 card?
Then I can upgrade the CPU sometime along the road to a I5.
Would the G2020 and let's say a Gigabyte GTX 660 go well hand in hand?
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Hey, I actually stream SC2 a lot, I'm sure you recognize me if you hang around TL.

Basically for an SC2 build, you really don't need much in the way of a GPU, and you want to get the best CPU you can afford up to an i5, it makes a big difference. But, if you can't, a Phenom x4 will run sc2 very smoothly. The reason a Phenom x4 is better than an i3 is because with an overclock, it'll be slightly cheaper for the same level of performance, but it'll handle multithreaded applications like streaming much better. You can stream 720@60fps with a phenom x4 for the most part, just dropping to low 30s in large 1v1 battles during stream but that's still very good, it'll look better than most pro streams if you tune it right.

However you can build an i5 sc2 build for under $500 easily (provided you live near MC) and maybe $600 if not...

- i5-3570K
- Gigabyte Z77X-Ud3H
$169 + 109 at MC, $209 + 124 at newegg
- Samsung 840 128gb $89
- Zalman CNPS14X $34AR newegg
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- Corsair CX430 $24AR newegg
- NZXT Source 210 ~$24 newegg
- 7770 1GB Newegg (this is overkill for sc2, easily will max it out) you could go with a 7750 to save some money too.

$574

A lot of the parts you picked are terrible. A 450 will max out sc2 just as easily as a 660 (think = sc2 is like solitaire, you really dont need much for gpu), cx500 is same as cx430 but more expensive, ive had 2 blow out, either get a better psu or go with the cx430 to save more money for the exact same thing anyways, zalmam zm-t2 is okay but source 210 for $24 is higher quality and isn't micro-atx. Kingston SSD is overpriced for lower quality, go with samsung 830/840 instead.
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How about a Pentium G2020 with a GTX 660 card?
Then I can upgrade the CPU sometime along the road to a I5.
Would the G2020 and let's say a Gigabyte GTX 660 go well hand in hand?

A 660 would be a waste of money for an sc2 build, you won't be playing any better than 460 for $50 on ebay (there you go, if you want to save even more). It would be a huge waste to go with a 660, and then just an i3, for an sc2 build. Your computer will suck for sc2 while someone who spent just as much as you did for an i5 + 460 or 7750 will not only be able to play sc2 better than you, they'll even stream it better than you can play it.

Anything other than an i5-K edition isn't really worth the money, the value of the i5 comes in overclocking to 4.5ghz+, since SC2 cares about IPC per core strength the most as a dual threaded game. If it was possible to get like an i3-3220K, that would be the best SC2 CPU, but there isn't one.

As for RAM, if you aren't able to afford an i5-3570K+Z77X-UD3H, you shouldn't really go for 8gb. You say it's cheap, but your build sucks. You need to cut corners on your build until you can get an i5-3570K. Sc2, and any other modern game, isn't going to use more than ~2gb of RAM anyways. You can always upgrade the RAM in the future. You don't really need 8GB of RAM unless you use dual monitor and game, stream, and pull up a ton of tabs on chrome on the 2nd monitor.

Please be careful, a lot of people here will tell you stuff like get a 7850 because they have no clue what they are talking about. I've built over 5 starcraft 2 streaming computers in the last year, I know exactly what it takes to play sc2. Until you can get an i5-3570K in your budget, you need to seriously skimp on everything else. It's just the most important part of an sc2 build. Then, a motherboard, heatsink, gpu, psu, ram, case, in order of importance frankly. A GTX 450 would handle ultra on SC2 easily, a 7750 would. Sc2 is an old game that was never very graphics intensive, but it's still a very cpu intensive game.

You can even play SC2 on integrated graphics (medium), that's how simple it is in terms of graphics. But an i5-3570K at 4.5ghz will dip to the 40s in just 1v1 battles.
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I would probably go with a 2GB GTX 650 Ti. You can go with an Ivy pentium or an i3. For SCII it should be good enough. An i5 was just a precaution. Try to keep a SSD in there as it will make the system feel much faster.

A GTX 650TI and a Pentium G2020 would offer a great price (and price/performance..?).
Then I could upgrade to a I5 sometime in the future, and I would be able to get a SSD in the build :-)

(Have actually seen a benchmark with a Pentium G840 and a HD6770, SC2 1080p@54fps....)
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*I shoulda said 20 hours*

I can do various builds depending on the budget. This one is overkill, and I normally do better when the budget lower.

I'll try one for under 500 next(I'm unsure of your exact budget, but I'm assuming it's around 600 by your OP)

Case($35) - Antec NEW SOLUTION SERIES VSK-3000
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129186

Optical($18) - LG 24X DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136259

PSU($45) - CORSAIR Builder Series CX430
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

CPU($210 after promo code EMCXRWS65) - Intel Core i5-3570K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

SSD($100) - SAMSUNG 840
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147188

GPU($154 with promo code TECHBARG515) - SAPPHIRE 100355-1GOCL Radeon HD 7850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202004

Motherboard+RAM($137) - ASRock Z77M LGA 1155 + Team Xtreem Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1299953

Total price $700
*edit* forgot to total the price, sorry.

*edit2* lower price build

Case($35) - Antec NEW SOLUTION SERIES VSK-3000
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129186

Optical($18) - LG 24X DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136259

PSU($45) - CORSAIR Builder Series CX430
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

SSD($100) - SAMSUNG 840
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147188

GPU($95) - SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7750
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102969

CPU+RAM combo($167) - Intel Core i3-2100 + Team Xtreem Dark Series 8GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1296954

Motherboard($50) - ASRock B75M-DGS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157362

Total price - $518 with S&H, could remove $8 with shoprunner trial(remember to turn auto-renew off if you use this service.
Edited by Alanim - 5/21/13 at 12:17am
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Hey, I actually stream SC2 a lot, I'm sure you recognize me if you hang around TL.

My current build will just barely play SC2 in single player, haven't tried multiplayer yet... :-(

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Basically for an SC2 build, you really don't need much in the way of a GPU, and you want to get the best CPU you can afford up to an i5, it makes a big difference. But, if you can't, a Phenom x4 will run sc2 very smoothly. The reason a Phenom x4 is better than an i3 is because with an overclock, it'll be slightly cheaper for the same level of performance, but it'll handle multithreaded applications like streaming much better. You can stream 720@60fps with a phenom x4 for the most part, just dropping to low 30s in large 1v1 battles during stream but that's still very good, it'll look better than most pro streams if you tune it right.

I could afford the I5 (still over budget, though..), but that would force me to skimp on everything else and go with a low-mid GPU, like HD7770 or GTX 650TI = poor GPU performance, if I would run other games than SC2 (I guess..?)

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However you can build an i5 sc2 build for under $500 easily (provided you live near MC) and maybe $600 if not...

I live in Denmark ;-)

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- i5-3570K
- Gigabyte Z77X-Ud3H
$169 + 109 at MC, $209 + 124 at newegg
- Samsung 840 128gb $89
- Zalman CNPS14X $34AR newegg
- 2x2gb RAM $25(amazon, ebay, newegg on sale... newegg might have a free deal on ram if you buy from them the mobo)
- Corsair CX430 $24AR newegg
- NZXT Source 210 ~$24 newegg
- 7770 1GB Newegg (this is overkill for sc2, easily will max it out) you could go with a 7750 to save some money too.

$574

Prices in Denmark are +20-100%, so this is a very nice, but also very expensive build :-(
Guess that it would fit my budget with a I3-3220 instead of a I5..

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A lot of the parts you picked are terrible. A 450 will max out sc2 just as easily as a 660 (think = sc2 is like solitaire, you really dont need much for gpu), cx500 is same as cx430 but more expensive, ive had 2 blow out, either get a better psu or go with the cx430 to save more money for the exact same thing anyways, zalmam zm-t2 is okay but source 210 for $24 is higher quality and isn't micro-atx. Kingston SSD is overpriced for lower quality, go with samsung 830/840 instead.
A 660 would be a waste of money for an sc2 build, you won't be playing any better than 460 for $50 on ebay (there you go, if you want to save even more). It would be a huge waste to go with a 660, and then just an i3, for an sc2 build. Your computer will suck for sc2 while someone who spent just as much as you did for an i5 + 460 or 7750 will not only be able to play sc2 better than you, they'll even stream it better than you can play it.

Maybe the GPU is a bit overkill, only thought it would be good to have a nice GPU, should I throw some more demanding games on it... At least I would like to have either a nice CPU or a nice GPU..

I have heard a lot of bad review on the Samsung 840.. That it should have a high "faulty-percentage" and a short lifespan, whereas the V300 "just keeps on working".. (In Denmark they cost exactly the same).

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Anything other than an i5-K edition isn't really worth the money, the value of the i5 comes in overclocking to 4.5ghz+, since SC2 cares about IPC per core strength the most as a dual threaded game. If it was possible to get like an i3-3220K, that would be the best SC2 CPU, but there isn't one.

Still, it is a 276$ processor.. On a low budget build :-(

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Please be careful, a lot of people here will tell you stuff like get a 7850 because they have no clue what they are talking about. I've built over 5 starcraft 2 streaming computers in the last year, I know exactly what it takes to play sc2. Until you can get an i5-3570K in your budget, you need to seriously skimp on everything else. It's just the most important part of an sc2 build. Then, a motherboard, heatsink, gpu, psu, ram, case, in order of importance frankly. A GTX 450 would handle ultra on SC2 easily, a 7750 would. Sc2 is an old game that was never very graphics intensive, but it's still a very cpu intensive game.

You can even play SC2 on integrated graphics (medium), that's how simple it is in terms of graphics. But an i5-3570K at 4.5ghz will dip to the 40s in just 1v1 battles.

It seems like you know what you are talking about, so I value your advise. But if I should go with a I5-3570K, I would really, really have to skimp on everything else.. And that just seems like putting all of your eggs in one basket.. On the other hand, I was always planning on going with a build, that would need to be upgraded sometime in the future.. I guess my initial thought was to go with a cheap CPU and a nice GPU, as I can get a G2020 or a Phenom II X4 965 for 70-106$.. It wouldn't be that much of a waste to swap it for an I5 in the future, whereas a 7770 of a 650TI would set me back something like 175$.. And then I would have a GPU, that would also need an upgrade, but it would have been so expensive, that I would want it to last for at least some years...

Bottom line:
Cheap CPU + nice GPU = possible upgrade in 1-2 years.
Nice CPU + cheap GPU = possible upgrade in 3-4 years..
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Intel i5-3570K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504
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WD Blue 1 TB EZEX (I have this and its a fast drive)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339

Asus 7870 GHZ edition
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121649
$219.99 after $20.00 rebate card

Cooler Master Silent Pro 700 watt psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171037
+ $20 off w/ promo code EMCXRWS96, ends 5/20
$74.99 after $40.00

G.Skill Sniper 8 gig (2x4) 1600 mhz ddr3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231416


$719 + $60 MIR for a total of $659 (I get free shipping due to my shoprunner account, but I think its like $4 without one)

SO $9 more and you get a i5 3570K ulocked quad core ivybridge + a 7870 (overclocked is faster than a 660 TI) + 8 gig 1600 mhz g.skill (my favorite ram)

+ 3 FREE games
http://www.overclock.net/t/1339698/the-eternal-question-which-is-better-hd-7870-vs-660-ti-benchmarks-inside/0_100
OCN's gameserver mod testing a 7870 vs 660 ti



For $690 you can get a 7950 if you remove the 7870 and the psu and get these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202030
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card $309

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031


I would DEFINATELY spend $40 to get a 7950 which when overclocked will beat a gtx 670
post #19 of 40
The performance-gain per dollar is REALLY steep all the way up to 3570k really. Saving just a feeeeeew more dollards to get to that point is a great way to get performance, but after that it sort of dips off.

As people have said SC2 isnt a graphics heavy game really. A 7870 -> 7950 (or 660ti) are pretty much great cards. They can run about everything on med->high settings. 7870 is still a great bang for your buck card tho, and if starcraft 2 is in focus then youre better off spending on your cpu smile.gif.
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I would say amd for a budget build. I own a i5 3570k and love it but a lower end cpu and a better gpu than I have would result in a much better gaming experience. remeber cpu is only 1 part of your system gpu, ram and your choice of video card also play a big part.

Good luck with your build i'm sure you will be happy either way.
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