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i3-3220 = wont play sc2 smothly at all times.
asrock b75 = just fine for an i3, but you won't be able to overclock an i5 on it. won't be able to handle an i5. you'll have to replace that motherboard
gigabyte 660 = 660 sucks, you need to go for the 660TI... but the 7950 is better than the 660TI. Either way, even the 660 is complete overkill for SC2. Seriously, you are basically buying a 660 just to play Doom (the original doom!). That's so stupid, who would do that? Well, why would you buy a 660 just for starcraft? Total waste of money. Your computer is going to suck, seriously. Someone with an i5 and a GTX450 or 640 will play sc2 better than you, they'll actually play it very smoothly on maxed graphics.
Good SSD choice
RAM is fine, as long as it's the cheapest...

CX430 = it's not about power it's about quality. 350w would be more than enough power. You need to realize that the wattage ratings mean NOTHING. Be aware that the CX430 is rated for 430w at 30*C.... your PSU is never going to be at 30*C. It's more in line with a 350w power supply. But, whatever, cx430 is a fine psu if you are strapped for cash. It'll work just fine, if it's just for a gaming build it's perfectly okay. Just your question 'will this be enough power' indicates to me that you do not understand power supplies (and frankly, who does?).

You don't want a decent CPU and GPU for an sc2 build. You want a freaking awesome CPU, and a crap GPU. Even if you had 1 billion dollars, you still wouldn't want to get anything more powerful than a 7770 for SC2 build. It's just not worth it... You are wasting your money.

Furthermore, everyone will tell you the 660 sucks, that the 660TI is better, but the 660TI sucks because the 7950 is much better performance for similar price. You aren't buying a decent GPU, you are buying a crap GPU all to play solitaire...And the i3 sucks.

Why are you buying a crap CPU and an okay GPU, to play sc2? your build will NOT play sc2 smoothly. You'll struggle to play sc2. You might struggle to do it on ultra graphics, sure, but you'll struggle all the same. Good luck with your crappy build, have fun with 25fps in just 1v1...

Isn't SCII only single threaded? I am not certain on this, but I know at most it is dual threaded, so the performance increase between an i5 an i3 should not be as noticeable as you are saying. A dual core i3 chip will run a dual threaded application much better than a quad core FX Chip. Anyways, He might get 25 MIN FPS in a benchmark environment and should average about 40FPS, but in normal games he should be getting 60+ FPS
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On one hand, really? Invest in the i5. On the other? Belial you have to let OP do what he think's is right for him, trial and error is what we've all experienced through the world of buying, using and selling of computers and computer components. But seriously though, everyone has to rep Belial. I read your posts and even though I did know these things, you were patient enough to write them for OP.

OP get.

i5 processor
z77 motherboard
7770 graphics card
any 2x2 ddr3 1600 ram
could probably go as low as 450-500w psu
screw the ssd for budget build and buy a 7200 rpm 250 - 500gb
core 1000 case
bada bing bada boom

or craigslist the whole damn thing for maximum price for performance!

i got my i5-3570k Brand new in box for 180 flat. for me that 50 saved.

also check For Sale section in forums here. smile.gif Good Day Sirs
   
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In all honesty my Macklemore rig wouldve played SC2, but just played it (AND IT WAS JUST 99 CENTS!!! jk more like around $200). When it goes down to it though, and playing online multiplayer i tend to play everything on low and invest my time in making reliable networks (no lag no discos) even if i can max it.
   
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That's just not true. Amd may not have pore power per core bit in sc2 especially a quad core is better than a dual. Toms did a sc2 CPU comparison but I'm on my phone.
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The OP mentioned that build is targeted at playing SC2, which pretty much rules out any AMD CPU as their per-core performance isn't sufficient. As such, even an i3 would be more suitable than say an FX-6300.
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That's just not true. Amd may not have pore power per core bit in sc2 especially a quad core is better than a dual. Toms did a sc2 CPU comparison but I'm on my phone.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-6.html

I found it. A quad is not always better than a dual. More cores is not better for SCII. It only uses 2 threads.




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I disagree I could easily tell him how to build a computer for just starcraft two, I can even theme it, but it all comes down to how much he wants to spend. At tight budgets, you need to start thinking about what hardware runs best for what. Starcraft 2 runs best on intel. You will need a decent cpu and gpu for sc2 on high settings. What settings do you want to run the game at max? , medium, low? It all depends on what he really wants.

No, you really don't need a 'decent' GPU for sc2 on high settings.You could do just high on a 4870 for $40 off ebay or like a 9800 even. When the game came out 3 years ago, yes, you needed a 'decent' GPU as in a $250 GTX 460, but nowadays the 460 is $50-70 on ebay. Frankly given how strapped the OP is for cash I think his best bet is getting a GTX 460 or 450 on ebay, they really shine in price/performance value and unlike other 4xx cards, they don't have heat issues that make people go with 7950/7870/7850s instead of 470, 480, etc.
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Isn't SCII only single threaded? I am not certain on this, but I know at most it is dual threaded, so the performance increase between an i5 an i3 should not be as noticeable as you are saying. A dual core i3 chip will run a dual threaded application much better than a quad core FX Chip. Anyways, He might get 25 MIN FPS in a benchmark environment and should average about 40FPS, but in normal games he should be getting 60+ FPS

I am 100% certain about it. It's dual threaded. The increase in getting an i5 is not for the core count, it's because you can overclock. If there was an i3-3220K, that'd be the perfect sc2 cpu. Also, offloading background applications onto the 3rd and 4th cores actually helps. It's not huge, but it is significant.

He'll hit 25min fps during any big 200/200 battle just in 1v1. if he plays team games it'll be a lot worse. I say this as someone who's built multiple Athlon, Phenom, i5, i7, purpose built for playing sc2. If there's anything I know, it's how to make an sc2 computer.

Your average or 'normal' FPS is meaningless, what is most important in sc2, just like with all games, is your minimum fps. It's especially important in SC2 because the moments you will hit your minimum fps, will be in the large 200 vs 200 battles in 1v1, where micro is absolutely the most important. You will hit 25fps every single lategame battle you have. It sucks. Your average will be more like 30 in lategame too.
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Belial you have to let OP do what he think's is right for him, trial and error is what we've all experienced through the world of buying, using and selling of computers and computer components. But seriously though, everyone has to rep Belial. I read your posts and even though I did know these things, you were patient enough to write them for OP.

Most people just buy one CPU every 3-6 years. So the OP might buy an i3, it 'works', he can play in 25-30min fps, and he'll rave about how great his i3 is because he gets the 660 and maxes out sc2 easily. but he doesn't realize how bad his performance is, because he doesn't know what a smooth 60fps is like. He also won't realize that a GPU with 1/4th the strength of the 660 would max out sc2 easily, and have 1/8th the cost.
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screw the ssd for budget build and buy a 7200 rpm 250 - 500gb

I don't agree with this. You can always get an SSD in a budget build. There are plenty of gen2 SSDs like an 80GB Intel X-25M for $40 on ebay that'll do just fine as a total system drive. I've been using one for 3 years and still only use about half of it (that's with an 8gb hibernation partition too). Then simply add a drive or upgrade when he can. You really don't need much more than 80gb for a gaming build, maybe 128gb if it's Wow or you play more than 1-2 games, or you download lots of steam games.
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That's just not true. Amd may not have pore power per core bit in sc2 especially a quad core is better than a dual. Toms did a sc2 CPU comparison but I'm on my phone.

It's not. Besides the fact that Tomshardware is hardly an authoritative source and is a total joke, if you look at the review they posted, you'll see that SC2 is clearly dual-core threaded. The only extra performance they got from 3rd and 4th cores, was background applications offloading the main cores, on a relatively weak CPU. A 5ghz i3 would significantly outperform, say, a 4.5ghz i5 for sc2.

So an AMD quadcore, is going to play sc2 a lot worse than a dualcore i3. However, the Phenom x4 > i3 because of the multithreading lets you actually stream HD while the i3 cannot, and with a significant overclock you can actually get equivalent IPC.



OP, what's important for this game and every game when looking at a CPU's gaming performance, is minimum fps. It's your FPS when it's most important to micro, or when you need to look back to your base very quickly to deal with a drop, or 200 vs 200 battles. Even the i5-2500K at 4ghz is only getting 25min fps.

Though 4ghz is a very small overclock, and Ivy is ~300mhz faster at the same speed as Sandy, so a 4.5ghz, 5ghz i5-3570K, will get you a minimum fps of around 35-40. That's still significantly less than you'd like, ie 60fps, but it's the best you can really get.

As you can see, the i3 and all the other CPUs fall to 13 or less fps. Anything below 25 is considered unplayable, that means you won't even be able to micro. That means banelings will roll right into your marines, your mutas will fly right into widow mines. if you play protoss this isn't a problem.
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it basically only uses 2 threads worth of CPU at any given time

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/08/18/how-many-cpu-cores-does-starcraft-2-use/2

so a decent 2 core chip like the i3 can almost do it, but not quite. if there is anything 2 core that is overclockable, last I checked no, it would work. otherwise you need an I5 to be comfortable on sc2. anything over 4.2 ghz with 4 cores is going to be more than adequate for sc2 aswell as feeding your choice of single graphics card.

everyone saying i5 is right, everyone saying HDD is right, you will get 0 gameplay performance from an SSD in SC2, just load times improve. free up some build $$ and skip SSD, you can always upgrade it later with little risk or hassle. fast ram will do nothing for you, buy whatever is cheap DDR3 1600 or better, 4gb if you ONLY use your rig for playing SC2, otherwise get 8gb. duno if you mentioned what windows you are using.

you can get by on a nice 1gb card, a 660 would be a bit overkill, any 650 2gb is a safe bet.

if you cant make an i5 and a decent 600 series 2gb build on your budget, consider a budget 1gb card since again, super easy to get a newer one later.

I can say for sure, you will be ok with only 1gb vram card, buy just barely. 1280+ would be better, anything over 1500 is unused on maxed SC2 @ 1080P

you get an i3 you will cpu lag, any 2 core, cpu lag, anything under 4 ghz, cpu lag.
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Cant we please stop saying that SC2 can be played on a gameboy if it has an "INTEL INSIDE" stamp on it?

The 2core performance on an I3 isnt a world apart from the I5s performance. Its about the same really, and I would recommend an I3-3225 if 4core performance is out of the picture completely.



But the minimum fps in the big battles is what matters, thats true. Still, have a look at this:









EDIT: Recommended the wrong cpu smile.gif Mixin it up.
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Multiplayer and single player are very different in requirements. Most of the very intensive graphics options won't apply in multiplayer like indirect shadows and AA, and there's also a lot of custom textures in single player that aren't in multiplayer.

I don' tknow what your current PC is, you need to fill out your specs, but there's a big difference in the two.
Yes, then you'd rather skimp on everything else. You'd literally be better off with an i5, no graphics card at all and a cardboard box, for an SC2 build, than anything else.

An overclocked i5 even, will struggle to stay above 40 minimum fps in 1v1; it's just the nature of the game, it's extremely cpu intensive and doesnt care about how many cores you have, only the strength of 2 of them, so ie a 5ghz i5 locked as a dualcore will outperform a 3990X with 12 cores at 5ghz. Believe me when I say, you really don't need much in the way of graphics at all. This game was made 3 years ago, and it was in development for what, like 7 years? That means it's based off hardware from 10 years ago, the graphics really isn't intensive at all.

Here's a vod of me streaming on medium with integrated graphics on an i7-3770k @ 5ghz:
http://www.twitch.tv/belialtester88/b/406213837

Obviously, integrated graphics sucks, but as you can see even on medium graphics it's still doing very playably. A 7770 or 650TI is literally overkill for SC2. This isn't crysis3 here, it's an old game that was never very graphics intensive to begin with. My GTX460 768mb was able to max out all settings on SC2 easily, and my 7950 literally is the exact same FPS as my GTX460.

Because the game is CPU bottlenecked, not GPU bottlenecked. If you are concerned about running other games, then you need to understand that the more you try to focus on 'other game' performance, the worse your SC2 performance is going to be. Furthermore, an i5-3570k 4.5ghz is just 2-3x as strong as anything else out there... it'll help in many other games as well. It'll also be good enough for you to stream your gameplay, a big plus.
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You need to LISTEN. I've built many, many computers for sc2, I have a high profile stream, I do a lot for sc2. You NEED an i5 to play sc2 well. If your budget is tight, you can go with a Phenom X4 (dont get an i3...), and it'll play sc2 well, but an i5 will be a good 2-3x times better for only 2x the price, it makes a huge difference.

You dont have the budget for both a good CPU and GPU, so for SC2, you need to get a good CPU. Get an i5-3570K, a Z77-D3H, 2x2gb of RAM, just a 128gb SSD, cx430, nzxt source 210, and then get a 7750, or a 7770 or 650ti boost if you can afford it.

you could also try to find a gtx 460 1GB on ebay or something, if you can find it for cheap, that'd be great. It performs the same as a 7770/650TI Boost. If you can't afford that, a GTX 450 would be able to max out the game just fine, it'll be at the cusp of "able to max out the game and have high forced AA on still"
It's what starcraft 2 is. It's all about CPU. Games only care about 2 things - your CPU and GPU. They really don't care for much else. SC2 in particular is extreeeemely CPU intensive. If you are playing other games, then tell us what games they are. For an sc2 focused build though, you really need to get an i5. You can always upgrade your GPU when you play some new game after some time.

Going with a cheap CPU, and then upgrading in the future, isn't really a great idea, because then you have to upgrade the motherboard to. Sure, you could just throw an i5 in your current board, but you either won't be able to overclock because you bought a cheap i3 board to save money, or conversely, you bought an i3 with an expensive motherboard, so you won't have a good graphics card, rest of system, etc. Does that make sense?

Seriously, SC2 does NOT require much in the way of graphics at all. As I linked in the above video, having no graphics card at all can handle Medium. A 7770 or 650TI would be absolute overkill for SC2, and you can find the similarly performing GTX460 for much cheaper if you know where to look. Those GPUs will still be half decent at most games, and you can always upgrade your GPU easily in the future. You can't exactly upgrade your CPU as easily.

It would actually be much harder to swap for an i5 in the future... like I said, either you're gonna have to spend a considerable part of your budget today on a motherboard that you won't utilize at all in the hopes you one day upgrade to an i5, or you're going to have a cheap motherboard for your i3 which won't do anything for your i5. Graphics cards, on the other hand, don't care what CPU or motherboard you are using.

Seriously. Go to Teamliquid.net, and go ask in the Tech Support thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=46

All these people do all day is tell people how to build starcraft 2 computers, and most of them are in europe. They will all tell you, an i3 is a waste and will struggle to play sc2, while an i5 will do a great job. If you have to go with an i5-3570K and then can only get a 7750, that's perfectly fine, you'll max out the game easily and play smoothly. But an i3 and a 7990, will struggle to play sc2 on a decent level just in 1v1. I5,i5, i5.
FTFY

As I said:
i3 + 7990 = will struggle to play
i5 on integrated graphics = will play on medium very well.
i5 on a cheap graphics card = will max out sc2 easily

Understand this: CPU is for minimum FPS, which is very important. It's the ability to micro in big battles, to move around the map quickly without stutter, to jump to any point base or army without lag.
GPU is for graphics settings.

So an i3 + 7990, will be around 25fps most of the game. It'll be at 25fps on low graphics, it'll be 25fps on ultra graphics. Because you got the 7990, you can max out the game - the graphics isn't any impact to the CPU, but what difference does that make if your CPU is too weak?

But an i5 + 7750, will be around 60fps most of the game. It'll be at 60fps on low, it'll be 60fps on ultra. Because the 7750 is strong enough to max out the game.

you NEED an i5 to play sc2 on a good level. Even an i5 will struggle to stay above 60fps the entire 1v1 game. It's useless to put money towards a graphics card if you can't even stay above 60fps. It's just the kind of game SC2 is.

Here's a stream of me playing on ultra graphics on a GTX460, by the way:
http://www.twitch.tv/belialtester88/b/405547358

I'm also on an i7-3770k @5ghz and 2400mhz RAM, and streaming takes a huge chunk of CPU power, and you can see just in this vod I dip to 80fps in a small battle.

I just realised belials super long post is very good, and decided to repost it so OP will find it sooner if he hasn't already read this. based on my experience the above is very accurate. synopsis, you need an i5 >4GHz to play sc2 properly. any gcard around gtx460+ is going to be fine. 660+ will smash sc2 completely. sli anything will crush it.

eg my sig rig smashes sc2.
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Yea everything Belial said is solid
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