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I'm gonna be in the market for a new keyboard in the near future and I'm not sure if I should get a mechanical KB

The thing is, I tried a mechanical with linear Cherry reds briefly once but wasn't really convinced. Since the main point of mechanicals is NOT to push the keys all the way down when typing, the linear nature of the switches was IMO doing more harm than good. When I press down a key on a rubberdome keyboard I know when it gets activated, but there was no feedback whatsoever on that mech so it was hard to know when exactly I had activated the key. I want to minimize the amount of work my fingers need to do, and sure as hell don't want to press the entire 4mm to make sure all my inputs register. I can see it being a big improvement over the basic rubberdome KB with over 3mm travel, but I didn't feel like it was any improvement over a crispy scissor switch KB. It was good for gaming purposes, though.

THE QUESTION: I've never tried tactile Cherry switches, are they considerably better in terms of typing feedback than the linear ones? Would that extra "actuation bump" replace the feedback you get when you press a rubberdome key to the bottom? Can it be anyhow troublesome for gaming purposes? Or should I just buy a good scissor switch keyboard next? Are mechanicals even always better for somebody who prefers short key travel and low profile keyboards?
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Hi

I'm gonna be in the market for a new keyboard in the near future and I'm not sure if I should get a mechanical KB

The thing is, I tried a mechanical with linear Cherry reds briefly once but wasn't really convinced. Since the main point of mechanicals is NOT to push the keys all the way down when typing, the linear nature of the switches was IMO doing more harm than good. When I press down a key on a rubberdome keyboard I know when it gets activated, but there was no feedback whatsoever on that mech so it was hard to know when exactly I had activated the key. I want to minimize the amount of work my fingers need to do, and sure as hell don't want to press the entire 4mm to make sure all my inputs register. I can see it being a big improvement over the basic rubberdome KB with over 3mm travel, but I didn't feel like it was any improvement over a crispy scissor switch KB. It was good for gaming purposes, though.

THE QUESTION: I've never tried tactile Cherry switches, are they considerably better in terms of typing feedback than the linear ones? Would that extra "actuation bump" replace the feedback you get when you press a rubberdome key to the bottom? Can it be anyhow troublesome for gaming purposes? Or should I just buy a good scissor switch keyboard next? Are mechanicals even always better for somebody who prefers short key travel and low profile keyboards?

That is TOTALLY WRONG. The main point of the mech switches are their feedback and the durability they offer. Also, once you type fast enough, you will bottom out anything you try, so that point is totally moot.

Also, precisely when using tactile switches, you will bottom out with more force than with linear switches (unless you type slowly), simply because with linear switches the strength of the spring gets higher once you reach the bottom, whereas on the tactile, it gets lighter.

It's a matter of preference and nothing else, but I have no idea how you can say that the point of mech's is not to bottom out rolleyes.gif
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Personal opinion, red are the most like rubber dome. Blues are amazing for typing the tactile bump is very nice and not in the reds. For 10$ you can try a few of them http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/review/product/list/id/7185/category/19/ the sampler kits almost worth buying just for the varying color keycaps on the 1 to = keys
Edited by nazarein - 5/20/13 at 8:11am
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That is TOTALLY WRONG. The main point of the mech switches are their feedback and the durability they offer. Also, once you type fast enough, you will bottom out anything you try, so that point is totally moot.

Also, precisely when using tactile switches, you will bottom out with more force than with linear switches (unless you type slowly), simply because with linear switches the strength of the spring gets higher once you reach the bottom, whereas on the tactile, it gets lighter.

It's a matter of preference and nothing else, but I have no idea how you can say that the point of mech's is not to bottom out rolleyes.gif
That sounds like mechanicals aren't for me then? From the ol' internet you'd get the idea they're always the number 1 option.

But what's the thing about bottoming out "anything", sure it's faster to move your fingers less? I'm a fast typer and still prefer lower key travel, 4mm is just too much.

Judging by the other comments, I'm still interested about Browns (not sure if Blue is optimal for gaming). Are they a significant improvement over quality scissor switches and can you type without bottoming out?

E: Well, maybe I should buy a sample kit after all. Too bad I can't try keyboards out in any store, and buddies only have MX Reds.
Edited by test user - 5/20/13 at 8:16am
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It's nice getting to test out the o-rings as well. Looks like the sampler kits are going to include a clear switch soon, don't know if that'll increase the price. This is from geekhack, those guys are all about keyboards.
Edited by nazarein - 5/20/13 at 8:41am
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It's nice getting to test out the o-rings as well. Looks like the sampler kits are going to include a clear switch soon, don't know if that'll increase the price.
Well, I don't have lots of spare money right now so it'd still be great if somebody was able to give some personal insight on MX Browns and if they are considerably better than for example Cherry SX for a person who doesn't like too big key travel?
post #7 of 26
I have MX Browns on my daskeyboard. They're the only mech switches I've used so far though, so hard for me to give a real good comparison.

But from what I've read around on the internet, some people describe browns as a "rough," "gritty," or "friction-y" version of the reds. And I think thats accurate.
I dont really feel a tactile bump at all when I use them. Even if i slowly press them, I still cant really feel a "bump"

I still typically bottom out when I type. I definitely do that less now than when I never had a mech keyboard. But old habits die hard, especially when I'm stuck with a mushy rubber dome keyboard at work.

I'm actually thinking of grabbing reds as my next keyboard though (need one for office/on-the-go).
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I have MX Browns on my daskeyboard. They're the only mech switches I've used so far though, so hard for me to give a real good comparison.

But from what I've read around on the internet, some people describe browns as a "rough," "gritty," or "friction-y" version of the reds. And I think thats accurate.
I dont really feel a tactile bump at all when I use them. Even if i slowly press them, I still cant really feel a "bump"

I still typically bottom out when I type. I definitely do that less now than when I never had a mech keyboard. But old habits die hard, especially when I'm stuck with a mushy rubber dome keyboard at work.

I'm actually thinking of grabbing reds as my next keyboard though (need one for office/on-the-go).
Ok, thanks a lot. Personally I don't like the idea of bigger key travel so I'll probably get the sample kit at some point to see if I like the Browns or Blues. On the other hand, a good non-mechanical would cost less than half of a mechanical here so that's tempting too
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Ok, thanks a lot. Personally I don't like the idea of bigger key travel so I'll probably get the sample kit at some point to see if I like the Browns or Blues. On the other hand, a good non-mechanical would cost less than half of a mechanical here so that's tempting too

If you are worried about cost then mechanical keyboards may not be for you. You really need to look at it as an investment because mech kb is going to last you for many years.

I have been using a K800 Logitech KB for 2 years and it is hammered. I use it 45+ hrs per week.

I just purchased a Ducky Shine II for work and home with clears because I am sold on the solid construction and quality.
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That sounds like mechanicals aren't for me then? From the ol' internet you'd get the idea they're always the number 1 option.

But what's the thing about bottoming out "anything", sure it's faster to move your fingers less? I'm a fast typer and still prefer lower key travel, 4mm is just too much.

Judging by the other comments, I'm still interested about Browns (not sure if Blue is optimal for gaming). Are they a significant improvement over quality scissor switches and can you type without bottoming out?

E: Well, maybe I should buy a sample kit after all. Too bad I can't try keyboards out in any store, and buddies only have MX Reds.

All Cherry MX Switches have a travel distance of 4mm and the actuation point is at 2mm. So, if you are really comfy with your scissor switches, I'd suggest that you keep them, since Cherry Mx feels very very different.

At the end of the day, using this or the other keyboard is all about personal preference. I can't stand very short travel distance mechanisms such as the scissor you like, and thus why I love mech switches. But to each his own, and there isn't any opinion better than the other, specially regarding things that depend on your preference and can't be quantified objectively wink.gif

The reason people think they are the #1 switch to use is because they are very naive and uneducated. Some people also say that Topre switches are #1 and, after owning both, I don't agree: you simply prefer one over the other, and I also know people who prefer rubber switches over cherry mx or topre mechanisms. Just as people (like you) like scissor switches. Internet is good for things that can be quantified, not for things about preference.

Regarding the bottoming out: yes, you might try to control it, but there is no need for it. Just type normally and you will realise that trying not to bottom out will slow you down since you have to control each pulsation... and you will realise that depending on which key you are pressing you are more prone to bottom out or not. Look at the way you type: normally the keys that are further away require faster movements not to lose rythm... and you will probably smash that key with greater force than if it was a close one.
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