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^ Thanks, great explanation! I think I'll probably go for a non-mechanical (Cherry Evolution Stream seems decent and I think I can live with 2KRO for a while) to fill the current need and check out the switch sample set later on, then reconsider a mech when my financial situation is more flexible
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^ Thanks, great explanation! I think I'll probably go for a non-mechanical (Cherry Evolution Stream seems decent and I think I can live with 2KRO for a while) to fill the current need and check out the switch sample set later on, then reconsider a mech when my financial situation is more flexible

Keep in mind that you have chiclet and scissor switches... but, to me, the chiclet ones are HORRIBLE. Like.. sticking your finger in a pile of p**. I'm telling you because, normally, keyboards with a low profile switches use the chiclet ones on the cheap versions... so, beware.
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^ Thanks, great explanation! I think I'll probably go for a non-mechanical (Cherry Evolution Stream seems decent and I think I can live with 2KRO for a while) to fill the current need and check out the switch sample set later on, then reconsider a mech when my financial situation is more flexible


Have you checked out the Microsoft Sidewinder X4? It's a low cost rubber dome keyboard that has good durability for a rubber dome and is low profile and has 28 KRO (not that you'll ever reach the maximum).

I have the Sidewinder X6 and went over to a TT Meka G1 with black switches and it took a while to get used to but I didn't care for the switch itself. I bought a used Razer Blackwidow Ultimate with Blue switches and it was a joy to type on, though it was quite noisy. I had no problem gaming with it but I did have some issues double tapping for slight shot adjustments. I moved on to the CM Storm Trigger with brown switches and feel that's it's great for both typing and gaming and the bump in the switch is nice and subtle. You could always check to see if there are used mechanical keyboards for sale if price is an issue.
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You can somehow tolerate blue switches? Lol ... If your rig was silent I would be laughing if you have blue switches ... they're noisy as hell for me even if i am someone who uses delta fans ...
Brown is alot better, red is absolutely silent for me but black is even quieter but ... it's very hard
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Its all personal preference, a lot of people actually like the clicky noises from a MX Blue.
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Keep in mind that you have chiclet and scissor switches... but, to me, the chiclet ones are HORRIBLE. Like.. sticking your finger in a pile of p**. I'm telling you because, normally, keyboards with a low profile switches use the chiclet ones on the cheap versions... so, beware.
Chiclets are the Apple-style ones with spacing between keycaps, right? They are pretty awful, feel mushy even though they have overly low key travel.

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Have you checked out the Microsoft Sidewinder X4? It's a low cost rubber dome keyboard that has good durability for a rubber dome and is low profile and has 28 KRO (not that you'll ever reach the maximum).

I have the Sidewinder X6 and went over to a TT Meka G1 with black switches and it took a while to get used to but I didn't care for the switch itself. I bought a used Razer Blackwidow Ultimate with Blue switches and it was a joy to type on, though it was quite noisy. I had no problem gaming with it but I did have some issues double tapping for slight shot adjustments. I moved on to the CM Storm Trigger with brown switches and feel that's it's great for both typing and gaming and the bump in the switch is nice and subtle. You could always check to see if there are used mechanical keyboards for sale if price is an issue.
How's the Sidewinder? Buying a basic rubberdome KB feels a bit dubious to me somehow, but if the buttons feel nice and crispy it should be no problem. Do you have any idea of the key travel distance? I prefer 2mm to 3mm

Anyway, at this point I think I'd go for MX Browns when I'm next looking for a keyboard, but for now I'm ordering a new non-mechanical this week or next week. After all, who knows if there will be new switch types in the future?
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My now dead laptop used scissor switches, extremely mushy that's why i never ever used that keyboard even if i was on the move tongue.gif I preferred carrying along a tenkeyless
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Chiclets are the Apple-style ones with spacing between keycaps, right? They are pretty awful, feel mushy even though they have overly low key travel.
How's the Sidewinder? Buying a basic rubberdome KB feels a bit dubious to me somehow, but if the buttons feel nice and crispy it should be no problem. Do you have any idea of the key travel distance? I prefer 2mm to 3mm

Anyway, at this point I think I'd go for MX Browns when I'm next looking for a keyboard, but for now I'm ordering a new non-mechanical this week or next week. After all, who knows if there will be new switch types in the future?
Chiclet keyboards are also known as "island-style". A heap of garbage if you're wondering tongue.gif
I'm pretty sure rubber dome keyboards are long distance actuators but they require less force still after being on rubber dome for many, many years now it IS comfortable to type on but MX reds would do better for me. I am beginning to sorta not like rubber dome keyboards tongue.gif
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My now dead laptop used scissor switches, extremely mushy that's why i never ever used that keyboard even if i was on the move tongue.gif I preferred carrying along a tenkeyless
Chiclet keyboards are also known as "island-style". A heap of garbage if you're wondering tongue.gif
I'm pretty sure rubber dome keyboards are long distance actuators but they require less force still after being on rubber dome for many, many years now it IS comfortable to type on but MX reds would do better for me. I am beginning to sorta not like rubber dome keyboards tongue.gif
TBH, I really exaggerated my issue in my original post. My biggest gripe with the Reds was not exactly knowing when the keys actuated. I don't say I didn't usually press them far enough, 2-3mm comes kinda naturally, but the lack of feedback was still annoying when I don't feel comfortable pressing that extra 1mm all the time to bottom out either. Also quick double-tapping was somewhat clumsy IMO. I think even the slightest feedback from Browns would be enough to fix this issue, but I don't think it's wise for me to buy a mechanical with my budget before trying out the sample set. So, for now I'm sticking to something else.

But on the other hand, scissor-dome keyboard might not be much worse than a mech if you don't bottom out with the mech, right?

I think the Cherry SX switches look pretty promising for a low profile KB (2.5mm travel), might just pick that for now without further thought http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSsmLf3O2Hk
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TBH, I really exaggerated my issue in my original post. My biggest gripe with the Reds was not exactly knowing when the keys actuated. I don't say I didn't usually press them far enough, 2-3mm comes kinda naturally, but the lack of feedback was still annoying when I don't feel comfortable pressing that extra 1mm all the time to bottom out either. Also quick double-tapping was somewhat clumsy IMO. I think even the slightest feedback from Browns would be enough to fix this issue, but I don't think it's wise for me to buy a mechanical with my budget before trying out the sample set. So, for now I'm sticking to something else.

But on the other hand, scissor-dome keyboard might not be much worse than a mech if you don't bottom out with the mech, right?

I think the Cherry SX switches look pretty promising for a low profile KB (2.5mm travel), might just pick that for now without further thought http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSsmLf3O2Hk

Actually, for quick double-tapping, the linear switches are second to none. The tactile ones are for once-tappping or, to put it this way, write or play games that don't require double-tapping, because once the feedback comes, you know you have your press right there but, at the same time, that bump is actually not good when you are double-tapping all the time.

Sure, you can mitigate this using light-tactile switches, like the mx browns... but if you use mx blue switches, you might find the hysteresis to be a problem since double tapping gets harder to make in a continuous pattern.
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Actually, for quick double-tapping, the linear switches are second to none. The tactile ones are for once-tappping or, to put it this way, write or play games that don't require double-tapping, because once the feedback comes, you know you have your press right there but, at the same time, that bump is actually not good when you are double-tapping all the time.

Sure, you can mitigate this using light-tactile switches, like the mx browns... but if you use mx blue switches, you might find the hysteresis to be a problem since double tapping gets harder to make in a continuous pattern.
Heh smile.gif Sounds more and more I would like Browns. I'll have to start looking if I can find a place to test them some time. Otherwise just have to buy the samples
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