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Are you serious??? Your OP said "6 Core SBE's about to be dethroned" so naturally everybody is looking at the CPU score which is the one score that directly compares a 6 core SBE with a 4770k. Why would we look at the total score which factors in GPU's, PCIE lanes,IMC's, and loads of other stuff that have little or nothing to do with the CPU's? rolleyes.gif

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See the eye wink after that comment? Was a futile attempt at humor that a lot of you can't seem to grasp. When I posted this I never thought it would turn into an excuse thread for sandy bridge e. a lot of you need to lighten up.
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Are you serious??? Your OP said "6 Core SBE's about to be dethroned" so naturally everybody is looking at the CPU score which is the one score that directly compares a 6 core SBE with a 4770k. Why would we look at the total score which factors in GPU's, PCIE lanes,IMC's, and loads of other stuff that have little or nothing to do with the CPU's? rolleyes.gif

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See the eye wink after that comment? Was a futile attempt at humor that a lot of you can't seem to grasp. When I posted this I never thought it would turn into an excuse thread for sandy bridge e. a lot of you need to lighten up.


This is your best Hokies impersonation right?
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This is your best Hokies impersonation right?

 

I was just at VT this weekend :P

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This is your best Hokies impersonation right?

Haha!
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3DMark11 is meant to test how a system does in 3D applications. This test shows that the 4770K ~= 3970X in 3D apps. It doesn't show or even try to show that the 4770K is better than or equal to the 3970X in all circumstances...just 3D apps where the CPU doesn't mater as much.

If you look just at the CPU score, then it's no longer an overall measure of 3D performance. So the CPU score is the least useful in this case since they are trying to show overall 3D performance, not solely CPU vs CPU performance. If someone wanted to show solely CPU performance, they would use a CPU benchmark like Cinebench, not a GPU benchmark. The 3970X will be better than the 4770K in threaded CPU tests like Cinebench, that's obvious since it uses all those cores and threads.
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Guys, what is the stand of i7-2700K against the 4770K?
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This is your best Hokies impersonation right?

Ahahahaha funny stuff tsm.
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Guys, what is the stand of i7-2700K against the 4770K?

Depends on how good of a overclocker 4770K is. If its a weak OCer than sandy will just be able to clock higher evening out performance.
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...interesting stuff (even beyond the tongue-in-cheek...)....what it tells me is that I want a IVY-E / Haswell-E biggrin.gif - best of both worlds

my 2cents.gif ...just finishing a 'Siamese Twins' build which consists of a 3970X (Rampage IV Ex) and a delided Ivy 3770K (Maximus V Ex) - which share a 'very big, COMMON water-cooling setup...both have G.Skill TridentX 2400MHz mem (32GB 3970X, 16GB 3770K) and also are connected for common HD drives and ROG_Connect etc...there are 5 GTX 670 vid cards which are run in various SLI configs between the two.

...generally speaking, the 3970X is 'faster', especially if the right multi-threaded applications are involved, though on memory-intensive benches, the Ivy comes 'very close', noting that Ivy and Haswell are even closer to each other, though Haswell has better mem-read numbers...

Here are some quick numbers...the 3770K running at 5.1GHz (51x100), the 3970X at 5.125 GHz (41x 125), same vid cards, drivers etc, w/max vid settings stable for each CPU, both running PCIe 3.

Cinebench 11.5 --- 3770K 10.38 3970X 14.90
Unigine 'Valley' (tri-SLI) --- 3770K 5507 3970X 5646
Unigine Valley (quad-SLI) --- 3770K 6073 3970X 6132

I add that the 3970X (and its quad channels) reacts very well to fast timed high-MHz ram - shades of things to come ? ! Bottom Line for me - I want Ivy-E / Haswell-E wubsmiley.gif

3970x (5.125 GHz)
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LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01


Edited by Joa3d43 - 5/20/13 at 12:04pm
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It pretty much boils down to this:

4770K > 3970X in situations when the application utilizes 4c/8t or less (everyday tasks and moderately multi-threaded).
4770K < 3970X in situations when the application utilizes 5c/10t or 6c/12t (highly multi-threaded).
4770K ~= 3970K in situations when the application cares most about GPU power (games and GPU-dependent 3D benchmarks).

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No price, just performance. If I included price, then the 4770K would win in everything since it will probably be ~$700 cheaper biggrin.gif

I am not sure if you are being serious, and actually believe this, or just trolling for the lolz.

Is the 3970X at over $1,000 a great buy? No, it has a huge price premium on it. Is it a beast processor? Yup, and it still sits comfortably at the top of the performance throne.
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So, no mention of the fact that SB-E could do 5ghz and Haswell could only run the test at 4.6ghz? What do you suppose the reason is for someone like Coolaler not being able to clock it higher? I think I have an idea why but it's not something you want to hear.

Second, 3dmark11 doesn't scale very well to multiple cores:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-3930k-3820-test-benchmark,3090-5.html


See how 3930k has 50% more cores but not even close to 30% higher score? I would care if this was the new 3dmark that can use 8 cores, but 3dmark11 clearly doesn't scale very well with more cores for total score.

The difference in total score between 3930k and Phenom X4 980 is 20%. If you think total 3dmark11 score represents gaming CPU performance than I suppose Phenom X4 980 is only 20% slower than a CPU than 3930k for a gaming CPU.

Given how poorly 3dmark11 scores from 4 to 6 cores, and that 3820 is the same as 3930k for overall score, and that Tom's clearly states the only thing that matters is the Physics Score, you've kind of dug yourself into a hole.

Allow me to ruin your day, Staypuft, with math.

3930k is clocked 8% faster.

For physics, 3930k scored 23% faster. So, even with 8% clockspeed advantage, hex core SB-E scored 23% faster. Do you see a problem there? If we assume Haswell and SB have the same IPC, an 8% clockspeed increase doesn't give 23% improvement. So physics is using more cores (probably) and it's still a superior chip, and it would still win at the same clocks.

The only thing this test proves is that 4770k and x79 don't bottleneck quad GTX 680 SLI setups.

Always fun to crush the dreams of overly optimistic manchildren.
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