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post #11 of 19
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If that rack touches your car...we want pics.

I'm calling the dealership in the morning to find out exactly how much the roof rack on a Passat sedan can handle. Supposedly 400 lbs per bar, so 800 in total. In theory it should work just fine but I'm fairly certain it would just be the geek version of the Clampetts doing 75 mph around I285. If it happens pics will be had.

The price and the hilarity that would ensue would make it well worth it. Now to find some rope and straps. biggrin.gif
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post #12 of 19
Here are the pictures I can find. Not the ones I wanted, but all I got. Also my mspaint diagram.




I'll see if I can find the others I know I took.
post #13 of 19
Save yourself the labor and major PITA of building one and wait for a craigslist option to pop up close to you. It's even worth driving a bit to pick on up if you have the means to transport it. You can get a 4 post with an enclosure and ventilated doors for sub-$200 all the time when businesses change out hardware or close offices.

Something to keep in mind is which standard the used racks utilized though - we just sold off 4 4-post racks but all were different screw spacing standards and one was a 24" wide rack that was used on some equipment that was ages old. And with luck you will actually get to speak with someone that can answer that question on the craigslist ad, most times it is just some guy in the office trying to recoup some money on old stuff and has NO idea what it is other than a server rack.
post #14 of 19
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Didn't even think of craigslist, good idea smile.gif

As for making it out of steel, I guess I could. Heck my parents neighbor is a welder by trade too. But truth be told, I just didnt want to mess with metal, just a lot more work. 4 2x4 or 4x4 posts would be just as stable but if I can get a real rack I'd do that too.
Oh hmm, I think I did that because the board I was using had Realtek NICs and not Intel NICs which according to pfSense's site the Intel work markedly better. due to this I went with 2U for low profile NICs. But after reading a post on the FreeNAS forums today where a person did a 25 point comparison test of Realtek and Intel for transfer rates, I think im going to switch the boards, case, and NICs. So I'll probably end up with 1U for them.

But the hardware that was going to go into them was pretty beefy, for pfSense at least. Was planning on a 32GB SSD for the OS drive, 2GB RAM, a Pentium G2020, and a gigabyte board. Because of the potential setup of all of this, I wanted my front end pfSense to be able to hold up pretty well and have a lot of headroom for intrusion detection and prevention.

Most server motherboards don't use Realtek NICs though.

Why a SSD for pfSense? Note that continous logging will wear out a SSD faster than you may expect and a SSD provides no performance gains (packet processing is in memory). You can get 20GB SATA HDDs from eBay for $15 each... just get two and you are good.

You can get a 1U PowerEdge C1100 for $310 shipped: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Poweredge-C1100-1U-2X-XEON-QC-L5520-2-26GHZ-NO-HDD-24GB-DDR3-Tested-/261199263261?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item3cd0b0761d
2x L5520 (Nehalem-EP 4C@2.26GHz)
24GB ECC RAM
2x Intel 82576 NICs


BTW, the hardware above will support a few hundred clients....


If you are building router just for home usage, just get a Atom prebuild with dual NICs for $120: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856205007
Edited by DuckieHo - 5/21/13 at 7:21am
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post #15 of 19
i built a server rack, its a good rack. you do lose some functionality, and drilling holes is more of a pain than anything.

so i bought this one



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post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

Most server motherboards don't use Realtek NICs though.

Why a SSD for pfSense? Note that continous logging will wear out a SSD faster than you may expect and a SSD provides no performance gains (packet processing is in memory). You can get 20GB SATA HDDs from eBay for $15 each... just get two and you are good.

You can get a 1U PowerEdge C1100 for $310 shipped: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Poweredge-C1100-1U-2X-XEON-QC-L5520-2-26GHZ-NO-HDD-24GB-DDR3-Tested-/261199263261?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item3cd0b0761d
2x L5520 (Nehalem-EP 4C@2.26GHz)
24GB ECC RAM
2x Intel 82576 NICs


BTW, the hardware above will support a few hundred clients....


If you are building router just for home usage, just get a Atom prebuild with dual NICs for $120: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856205007

Generally speaking I would agree with this 100%. But in my case this is all part of the Ultimate Rig contest for the time being. If I don't win, I'll more than likely be going with the PoweEdges, probably a handful of them in fact. I had to PM a couple of mods before talking to Enterprise and being told I can do a server rack for my ultimate rig. That being the case, I don't want to use ebay gear just because I can't rely on it being available, permissible, or the same price. Below is what I had thrown together on Newegg for the pfSense boxes. I'll grant they aren't dual quad core xeons (ever so tempting to buy anyways), but they also don't suck that kind of power tongue.gif If the backup implementation does go ahead, It would be one household per night so only a couple of VPN connections at a time. The most I can foresee would be 3. As for the SSD, its because its the cheapest drive on Newegg actually. 32GB SanDisk SSD is cheaper than a regular 2.5 or 3.5 inch drive.

CPU - Celeron 1610
Motherboard - ECS Black Deluxe P67H2-A2
RAM - G.Skill 2GB DDR3 1333
SSD - SanDisk ReadyCache 32GB
Case & PSU - Ark IPC-2U2055PS 2U rackmount case with 420W PSU


Truth be told, if I had a place to put them I'd probably buy those PowerEdges right now and just figure out what to do with them later.....
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Just a warning about SSDs in router environments..... they can get chewed up pretty fast. I'm on the Untangle forum and a builder there uses them for the same reason.... they are the cheaper than HDDs and they don't need much space. However, he also said they have a higher rate of failure across multiple vendors.


That's why I recommended RAID1 20GB HDDs as another option. There are a lot of them since XBox used them.


Personally, I really wished someone made 8GB microdrives...
Edited by DuckieHo - 5/21/13 at 10:16am
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If you read on pfSense, Untangle, and FreeNAS you can install them onto Compact Flash cards normally and run them from those as well. Heck, FreeNAS recommends it so you dont use a drive for the OS. This isn't always cheaper but sourced right I imaging it could be.

But given what you pointed out as well, that most of pfSense is occuring in RAM, maybe I'll bump it to 4GB and just use an old HDD I have laying around. Have a couple old 200GB SATA2 drives.
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If you read on pfSense, Untangle, and FreeNAS you can install them onto Compact Flash cards normally and run them from those as well. Heck, FreeNAS recommends it so you dont use a drive for the OS. This isn't always cheaper but sourced right I imaging it could be.

But given what you pointed out as well, that most of pfSense is occuring in RAM, maybe I'll bump it to 4GB and just use an old HDD I have laying around. Have a couple old 200GB SATA2 drives.

eBay has 20GB HDDs for $10-15 shipped. I had one running almost 24/7 for 2 years (still working but have to put it in another build).

Another note, I believe pfSense has a log mode where it attempts to store more in a memory buffer and then doing a large sequential write to disk (rather than constant logging). This mode reduces SSD wear as well.
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