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Originally Posted by Masta Squidge View Post

According to this you don't stand a chance of competing.

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-7970-vs-GeForce-GTX-780

Not that I place any stock in that website, really. I see the other benchmarks available too. But still, look at the percentage. There is nothing terribly special there, you are comparing the 7970 to a card one generation newer, and it is one generation worth of performance slower. I don't find that significant at all. People are still rolling heavily overclocked 580s that are "competing" with the 680 much in the same way that you are "competing" with the 780.

GPUBOSS. That is something Hurricane28 would use.
 
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Yeah, if you have 7970s/680s, I agree, not much point in upgrading this time around smile.gif
Just like there wasn't much point upgrading from the 580 to the 680 right? This argument happens with every single generation of card. The 480 to the 580 was about the same deal as well. rolleyes.gif
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GPUBOSS. That is something Hurricane28 would use.
As I said, I place no stock in that website. It was just a quick link. But lets just ignore the rest of the statement made in favor of picking out the one thing that amount to a wikipedia link.

Lets just insult each other's posts rather than actually supplying any constructive points.
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If people want to upgrade every gen, then fair play to them. You won't see the leaps and bounds performance gains though. I waited until there was something around double the performance of SLI'd Fermi before I bothered, but each to their own smile.gif
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They released an overclocked card as a new model, basically a psuedo-refresh.  It's not a "factory-overclocked" card like a Superclock or a Lightning, it is a new AMD produced model with higher clock speeds.  Pretty much exactly what the GTX 770 is likely to be.  So comparing a GE to a 780 is completely fair and the right comparison (as long as you don't get cute and use vanilla 7970 prices to compare price).

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They released an overclocked card as a new model, basically a psuedo-refresh.  It's not a "factory-overclocked" card like a Superclock or a Lightning, it is a new AMD produced model with higher clock speeds.  Pretty much exactly what the GTX 770 is likely to be.  So comparing a GE to a 780 is completely fair and the right comparison (as long as you don't get cute and use vanilla 7970 prices to compare price).
Even so, it is just as far behind as you would expect any top tier card to be from another top tier card one generation newer.

Even if you try to use this false logic (because a GHZ edition card is still an OC version of the reference board, just because it isn't called a superclocked card doesn't mean it isn't the same idea), this is not impressive, unusual, or noteworthy in any aspect. The 7970 GE is still slower than the 780, and in while it may be closer than others, it still isn't competition by any means.

You need to realize that people are seeing similar maximum overclocks with the reference boards as they are the GHZ, (around 11-1200mhz) making it precisely nothing more than a factory OC unit.
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Lol. All im pointing out is that if the 780 is so great, why does it lose at firestrike when my 7970 is overclocked? come on, its like 200-300 dollars more expensive and it cant even beat a 7970 (when the 780 is stock ofcourse.) Paying half the price for a ref 7970 and overclocking it will get you close or better than a stock 780s performance.

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The point of overclocking was to make something slow faster so you dont spent more money to update.Now its a hobby too but i overclocked so i can skip the next generation of cards.With these 7970s on january i will have spent 2 years without updating. Thats amazing that i can compete with the 780.

oh yeah lets say it once more too. how many driver updates has your 7970 had. and the 780 is on its first release hmmmmm i dont see any chance at performance going up at all with an update. and i agree that an OC vs stock is retarded. lets wait for OC 780 benches and see where we are after that. it would be no different than me saying i can under clock a 780 to 200mhz and my 560ti is faster., or hell lets unplug the 780 turn off its pci-e slot and my 8800gt is faster then too. heck apples to oranges right? my Toyota rolls down the road quicker than throwing the 780 down the road.
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oh yeah lets say it once more too. how many driver updates has your 7970 had. and the 780 is on its first release hmmmmm i dont see any chance at performance going up at all with an update. and i agree that an OC vs stock is retarded. lets wait for OC 780 benches and see where we are after that. it would be no different than me saying i can under clock a 780 to 200mhz and my 560ti is faster., or hell lets unplug the 780 turn off its pci-e slot and my 8800gt is faster then too. heck apples to oranges right? my Toyota rolls down the road quicker than throwing the 780 down the road.

Driver updates didnt really help 680s compete with 7970s though. I dont see nvidia doing it any better with 700 cards.
 
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You aren't going to see any magical driver gains for the GTX 780.  It's still just a Kepler card, and Nvidia has been refining the drivers for those for more than a year.  It'll get some gains, obviously, but you aren't looking at 10-20% increases like the GCN cards got.

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Been roaming the forums for a while but finally joined, glad to be a part of the community. Sup guys.

Anyway, I've seen a lot of great information here and hope to find more. Certainly hope that most of what I find isn't AMD fanboy vs. nVidia fanboy. In the past year I've gone from evga sc gtx 580 -> msi ref hd6970 -> msi ref hd6970 x2 -> asus ref hd7970 -> msi twinfrozr gtx 680 -> asus gtx 690 -> msi lightning hd7970. I just have fun swapping them out and seeing how they perform. They've all got their pros and cons. For me, nVidia is great for reliable driver support and generally better sli performance, but at the cost of higher prices. AMD however, great hardware, generally more capable than the equivalent nVidia card, but plagued by poor driver support and sketchy crossfire performance. I don't care what anyone says I personally could not get Far Cry 3 to play well on any of my AMD cards (haven't tried it on lightning 7970 yet). At the end of the day it's what is most important to you, what res you game at, and what games you play, certainly not something to sit on forums and bicker about. I was inches away from hitting the checkout button with an asus gtx 780 in my shopping cart on newegg. Looks like a d@mn impressive card and I'd love to get my hands on one, and one day I will, you can count on that.
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