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Nobody said that Intel was better, in terms of performance, but the steam numbers show a year over year increase of people who use the Intel iGPU. That is a fact. No matter how much poo you throw on it. And the GT3e will only help Intel look better.
No matter how much glorifying you give intel the truth is, those "gamers" just to seek to play some basic games. That's all they are good for with decent quality
Now tell me if they are indeed using the iGPU. It might be just in the system but MOST laptops come with a extra GPU.
GT3e helps intel look better? Really? Wasn't that said about GT1 helping intel look better? WRONG. It still is poo. Intel is still releasing poo iGPUs with poo drivers supposedly with a driver team that should know their stuff.
Seems i am wrong. Anyone who has no bias will know that even talking about iGPUs intel = poo. Seems like you are very very heavily biased towards Intel.

And remember, drivers make or break a gaming experience. The same way people rant on about Nvidia and AMD both having their own time-to-time GPU driver problems unlike intel whom can never polish out a proper drivers
Doesn't matter if intel can make a HD7970-level iGPU, if the drivers are crap, then it's crap. /discussion
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Nobody said that Intel was better, in terms of performance, but the steam numbers show a year over year increase of people who use the Intel iGPU. That is a fact. No matter how much poo you throw on it. And the GT3e will only help Intel look better.

You don't say. People are using the IGP because they didn't buy a computer with a dedicated GPU.

That argument is as flawed as it can get.

And those on laptops with Optimus... I'm not sure if you remember that Steam would see the Intel HD graphics if in fact, the dedicated card was shutdown due to it.
   
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Nobody said that Intel was better, in terms of performance, but the steam numbers show a year over year increase of people who use the Intel iGPU. That is a fact. No matter how much poo you throw on it. And the GT3e will only help Intel look better.

All your saying is that you can polish poop, mythbusters beat you to it.

Anyways, only idiots who don't know how to build PCs use IGPU for high end gaming. People who build on IGPU don't play highend games, certainly not at good settings, and people who play high end games build their rigs/have them built and have dedicated GPUs.

Wait, (looks at thread title) wth does anything here have to do with intel?
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All your saying is that you can polish poop, mythbusters beat you to it.

LOL my exact thoughts biggrin.gif
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Wait, (looks at thread title) wth does anything here have to do with intel?

Like any AMD thread, there goes massive train derailing thanks to 'Intel-affine people' to say it lightly lachen.gif
   
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How many people use Steam? And how many of them actually take part in Steam survey? And if I'm not mistaken Steam stats include Macs as well. You simply can not base popularity based o those stats; it's like me picking the HD 5770 from those stats and call it AMD's most popular GPU of today (which actually is HD 7970, 7950 and 7870).

Also, most people who use weak GPUs or IGP wouldn't need to install Steam in order to watch HD contents (movies, music and such).
True. There are "only" 50 million people using Steam, from a total of 600 million gamers worldwide, but that doesn't mean that its all there is. For example. I happen to know quite a bunch of people playing WoW with just a iGPU. Like 75.000 people, because I happen to know the person who wrote the drivers for it.

And Macs use AMD/NVIDIA GPUs as well so that shouldn't matter. But I'm more surprised that people here keep comparing Apples with Oranges, because the iGPU shouldn't be compared with a dedicated GPU card, but a similar product. Not to mention that I am talking about Intel's GT3e, because it was said to have improved a lot. And maybe companies like Apple will use the GT3e as their main GPU. Which may change things in a positive way for Intel, even if that is a drop on a hot plate in the view of people here.
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No matter how much glorifying you give intel the truth is, those "gamers" just to seek to play some basic games. That's all they are good for with decent quality
Now tell me if they are indeed using the iGPU. It might be just in the system but MOST laptops come with a extra GPU.
First. I am not glorifying anything here, but trying to express my own personal views on the matter.

And so what? What if 100 million people are happy playing a basic game on the iGPU. You want everyone to ignore it? Well. To each his own; If they are happy with it... so be it.
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GT3e helps intel look better? Really? Wasn't that said about GT1 helping intel look better? WRONG. It still is poo. Intel is still releasing poo iGPUs with poo drivers supposedly with a driver team that should know their stuff. Seems i am wrong. Anyone who has no bias will know that even talking about iGPUs intel = poo. Seems like you are very very heavily biased towards Intel.
Like AMD never fails and write great drivers. I mean. What about the thread were people complain about AMD drivers being so bad... in this forum? But how can you judge a yet to be released iGPU, and its drivers, without even having seen one? To me that's nothing more than speculations. Oh and when you say: "Anyone who has no bias will know that even talking about iGPUs intel = poo" That is in fact nothing more than a biased opinion.
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And remember, drivers make or break a gaming experience. The same way people rant on about Nvidia and AMD both having their own time-to-time GPU driver problems unlike intel whom can never polish out a proper drivers Doesn't matter if intel can make a HD7970-level iGPU, if the drivers are crap, then it's crap. /discussion
What about the Intel demo? I mean since I was talking about the upcoming GT3e, and their demo looked pretty awesome for a notebook. Not that I have used one myself, and thus I have to wait with further comments until after I have used one myself. Otherwise it is all speculations.
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All your saying is that you can polish poop, mythbusters beat you to it.

Anyways, only idiots who don't know how to build PCs use IGPU for high end gaming. People who build on IGPU don't play highend games, certainly not at good settings, and people who play high end games build their rigs/have them built and have dedicated GPUs.

Wait, (looks at thread title) wth does anything here have to do with intel?
First. Where is your professional attitude? Calling people "idiots" is not professional.

Yeah. You may have the money to build a great gaming rig, but other people may not have the money for it. So does that make them idiots? No sir!

One day soon they may have a job/the money for a great gaming rig, so please. Stop calling people idiots based on the silly assumption that they cannot build a gaming rig for high end games, because maybe they just cannot afford it. Yet. So what does that make you?
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First. I am not glorifying anything here, but trying to express my own personal views on the matter.
What about the Intel demo? I mean since I was talking about the upcoming GT3e, and their demo looked pretty awesome for a notebook. Not that I have used one myself, and thus I have to wait with further comments until after I have used one myself. Otherwise it is all speculations.
And your matter is? You really have your head stuck up too far your ceiling. Intel will continue to deliver false promises while failing to address a core problem. Drivers. I cannot stand bad drivers and if you can, only if you are a heavy handed fan.
GT2 = HD4000. Dude. Only difference between GT3 and GT3e is a larger DRAM cache but. BIG BUT. GT3 is = A10-5800k according to intel's claims. We all know Intel cannot deliver what they promise anymore
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And your matter is? You really have your head stuck up too far your ceiling. Intel will continue to deliver false promises while failing to address a core problem. Drivers. I cannot stand bad drivers and if you can, only if you are a heavy handed fan.
GT2 = HD4000. Dude. Only difference between GT3 and GT3e is a larger DRAM cache but. BIG BUT. GT3 is = A10-5800k according to intel's claims. We all know Intel cannot deliver what they promise anymore
If you want to be taken seriously, by a professional, then show some respect first – stop calling me "dude" and your other personal attacks.
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Like AMD never fails and write great drivers. I mean. What about the thread were people complain about AMD drivers being so bad... in this forum? But how can you judge a yet to be released iGPU, and its drivers, without even having seen one? To me that's nothing more than speculations. Oh and when you say: "Anyone who has no bias will know that even talking about iGPUs intel = poo" That is in fact nothing more than a biased opinion.

Nope, Intel's drivers tend to really suck. AMDs have a few bugs but so do nVidia's...Intels OTOH crash much more often, especially on older systems.

I won't use my Uni's PCs (Intel driver resets at least 5-6 times in a normal day) as I have no idea if they're even fully stable, but I know my Mums rig is and she was getting crashes...Which disappeared when I threw an old 7300GT.
    
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