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Hi guys:


I am from Singapore and is going to watercool my PC for the first time. Hence, i had actually outsourced the entire watercooling work to professional who know exactly what they are doing

Going to build a new rig with below spec:

CPU : CORE I7 3970X
MOTHERBOARD : ASUS RAMPAGE 4 EXTREME
RAM : Corsair Dominator Platinum CMD32GX3M8A2400C10 32GB 4X8GB DDR3-2400 C10 with Corsair blue/white lighting kits x02 -
CASING : Magnum STH10 from Case Labs
GRAPHIC CARD : EVGA GeForce GTX TITAN SuperClocked 6GB x02
STORAGE: SAMSUNG SSD 840 PRO 128GB (FOR OS) & SAMSUNG 840 PRO 256GB x 02
OPTICAL DRIVE : LG BH16
PSU : Corsair AX-1200i Platinum
KEYBOARD : RAZER BLACKWIDOW ULTIMATE STEALTH EDITION
MOUSE : RAZER DEATHADDER 2013
DISPLAY : SAMSUNG S27A950DS


Parts Purchased for CPU/GPU/FAN-CONTROLLER-H2O-Cooling Set-up:

Bitspower D5 / MCP655 Mod Kit - Blue Finish x 2

Bitspower BP-2D5TOPP-BK Dual D5 Mod Top (POM Version) x1

Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 Full Copper 480mm x 2

Aquacomputer D5 Pump Mechnics with USB and Aquabus Interface x2

Aquacomputer Water Block for Aquaero 5, G1/4 - Nickel Plated x1

Bitspower Case Top Water Fill/ Through Hole Fitting Set - Matte Black Finish x 5

Bitspower Matte Black Quick-Disconnected Male With Inner G1/4” x 2

Bitspower Matte Black Quick-Disconnected Female With G1/4” x 2

Aquacomputer Flow Rate Sensor "High Flow USB" G1/4 x 1

PrimoChill Vortex Black POM Flow Indicator - x1

ModMyToys 3-Pin Power Distribution PCB - 5-Way Block x 2

1EK EKoolant Premium Liquid Cooling Premix Coolant - 1000ml - Clear x 3

Alphacool Double Nipple G1/4" Outer Thread to G1/4" Outer Thread Revolvable - Deep Black x 5

Alphacool Cape Fuzion Core 30 x 1

Liquid Neon Fluorescent Lamp Sleeved - Blue x 1

EK-FC GeForce GTX Titan GPU Water Block - Nickel (Original CSQ) X 2

Primochill Advance LRT 1/2" 3/4" – Clear X 5

EK-PSC Fitting 13mm - G1/4 – Black X 20

EK-FC Bridge TRIPLE Serial CSQ - Plexi + Blank Plate x 1

Bitspower Case Top Water Fill/ Through Hole Fitting Set - Matte Black Finish X 2

Corsair Air Series SP120 Performance Edition High Static Pressure 120mm Fan - Set of Two X 3 [Already bought 1 set of 2 by myself]

Cool Blue LED Strip - 3m + Switch x 1


ALL-IN TOTAL COSTS (INCLUDING 1-YEAR PARTS & SERVICE WARRANTY PLUS INSTALLATION/SETUP/LEAK-TEST FEES): SGD3652.00

Summary:
It will be a single loop H2O-setup to cool 4 components – 3960X CPU, 2 unit of GTX Titan, and the Aquaero 5 XT. There will be 2 D5 pumps being used and one radiator will be running push and the other radiator will be passive cooling.
I was told the cooling from this setup is more than enough to cool all the 4 components in my rig. Is this really sufficient?

Bottom-Line:
IS THIS SETUP SUFFICIENT TO COOL THE RIG DOWN TO A GOOD LOW TEMPERATURE?
Edited by overclockerz - 5/27/13 at 7:38am
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post #2 of 26
Just for watercooling, no, it is not worth it. I don't know how much the parts cost in Singapore, but paying $1500 just to watercool 2 titans with a single radiator is way too much in my opinion. For that much money, and with the Titan lowering in price soon, if the system supports 4 way SLI, I'd rather get two more Titans ($1600-2000+shipping and 7% import) and then watercool the parts with the remainder ($1000-1400+shipping and 7% import). In the US, you could easily watercool those parts for under $1000 with two 480mm radiators. So I don't understand why $3000 for labor and parts even though it's Singapore.
Edited by target39 - 5/20/13 at 1:03pm
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It's hard to say because I have no idea what anything costs over there but that is way to much, and just DIY.
 
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That's too much...I'll come overthere bring water cooling parts, and do it for you for $700.00 USD...biggrin.gif That leaves me $2300.00 for air fair.....thumb.gif Air fair is only $1200.00 back and fort...so I'll give you the change back. smile.gif
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Parts cost what parts cost, and considering what you have listed there is like a list of the most expensive parts you could possibly buy I don't understand how you are only being charged that much.

$160 for labour is madness ... it will take hours or days to set all that up properly, including the Aquaero 5

It could be done with cheaper parts, for arguably the same or even better results. The Aquacomputer stuff is sometimes needlessly expensive and doesn't perform any better. $400 for two 480 rads is some of the reason you are paying so much, and 2 pumps for a CPU loop? I would love to see the GPU loop, does it get dual pumps too?

I don't really see how someone could expect to be able to maintain a complex system like that if you don't build it yourself.
Edited by Jakusonfire - 5/20/13 at 1:53pm
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$3000 sounds a bit steep. Let's break down to US prices. You could probably get a proxy to ship to you, either a company or a trusted member of the community. I'm not sure about customs importation taxes, but the latter part should be easy to calculate.



This is the total cost of raw materials required to get a functional loop going. I am assuming you will need (want) 6 angled adapters of 90 degree variety and 6 angled adapters of 45 degree variety.

Now, if I had seen your post before asking for component help, I'd say you spent a lot of silly money on things like the D5 pump with USB interfaces, or Bitspower QDC (completely overpriced), or the vortex flow indicator (which does nothing). But, seeing you already purchased these things, it'll be hard to keep costs down. These are the prices I've pulled from Performance-PCs.

After the EMS shipping (which is NOT cheap - your box will be big AND heavy) and customs, the math works around $2450, but ONLY if you don't use a middleman service (which charge you a % on top of cost of parts, usually 7% + 3.999% Paypal fees + odd fees, totaling ~$250). So, your "professional", if he will do all the importation work for you, install your loop, verify it's running, warranty against leaks and defects, etc., he'll be charging you $300 for this service. (2446 + 250 = 2696)

(He might even charge you bank fees to convert USD > SGD, which might be another 7% on top of everything)
Edited by sakerfalcon - 5/20/13 at 2:14pm
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$3k seems reasonable if someone will do all the work to buy, import and assembly the PC for you. You can use less expensive components as mentioned above, but to answer your question, yes that's a reasonable price for the products and services you mentioned in my opinion.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Utah View Post

$3k seems reasonable if someone will do all the work to buy, import and assembly the PC for you. You can use less expensive components as mentioned above, but to answer your question, yes that's a reasonable price for the products and services you mentioned in my opinion.




It's reasonable when you look at it from a "Price he's paying for components, import tax, and labor." but that is just completely outrageous for the performance he's getting. He could spend HALF of that and use 3rd party local equipment for more or less the same results.

My advice, look into alternatives. For the price to performance ratio you're getting 3k is just outrageous.
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It's reasonable when you look at it from a "Price he's paying for components, import tax, and labor." but that is just completely outrageous for the performance he's getting. He could spend HALF of that and use 3rd party local equipment for more or less the same results.

My advice, look into alternatives. For the price to performance ratio you're getting 3k is just outrageous.

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post #10 of 26
I think the issue is things are more expensive in Singapore than usual, so sourcing things locally in SG may end up being close to having a pro do it.
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