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Hes not talking about that. Hes talking about reddit being touted as a reliable and trustworthy source.

Well that's a no brainer, if I make an account here, say I'm an Intel Engineer, and say, "ASK ME ANYTHING", what do you think is going to happen? And why do you think reddit should be treated special? Because that's common there? There's tons of facets of reddit where people faking AMAs just for "the lelz" or whatever ends up getting exposed.
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Hes not talking about that. Hes talking about reddit being touted as a reliable and trustworthy source.

Well that's a no brainer, if I make an account here, say I'm an Intel Engineer, and say, "ASK ME ANYTHING", what do you think is going to happen? And why do you think reddit should be treated special? Because that's common there? There's tons of facets of reddit where people faking AMAs just for "the lelz" or whatever ends up getting exposed.
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post #143 of 155
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Well that's a no brainer, if I make an account here, say I'm an Intel Engineer, and say, "ASK ME ANYTHING", what do you think is going to happen? And why do you think reddit should be treated special? Because that's common there? There's tons of facets of reddit where people faking AMAs just for "the lelz" or whatever ends up getting exposed.

Yes, thats what a few of us said when something on reddit was posted as evidence of Haswell's terrible overclocking ability.
post #144 of 155
I love my 2700k more and more every new release.... Looks like I'll just need new GPU's for my next build.
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Agreed. It's been over two years since I bought my trusty 2600K (now in my folding rig) and it really still feels like a current generation chip performance-wise. Not sure that's because SB was such a great architecture or if its just because IB and Haswell have been big disappointments?
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Agreed. It's been over two years since I bought my trusty 2600K (now in my folding rig) and it really still feels like a current generation chip performance-wise. Not sure that's because SB was such a great architecture or if its just because IB and Haswell have been big disappointments?


I think it's more that Intel realized that desktops CPUs were far outstripping the software requirements, and shifted focus to areas where it hadn't.  Intel is very proud of the performance/watt improvements of Haswell - that's pretty much all they've been trumpeting - they just don't seem to see a need for more desktop power.

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Jeez, we still need software to slow down. They have all got too bloated.
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post #148 of 155
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Yes, thats what a few of us said when something on reddit was posted as evidence of Haswell's terrible overclocking ability.
But not just reddit. It's about any leak that gets linked to from oc.net. They are all fake, at least if you have to believe some people here – I keep reading comments like: Wait for a real/trusty-worth review. Like that will change anything. Fact is. CPU-Z was and is still buggy, but instead of that being said... the leak is fake.

IMHO people here should be grateful for any leak that shows you the real deal. Even when some of the test results are flawed.... because some of the used software wasn't ready for it... so go blame the developer(s) of CPU-Z since they are the ones who failed.
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I wonder if they just designed the silicone to take more heat.. like raised the thermal threshold much higher than we would expect.. maybe?

I would really like them to remove on die graphics from the top tier processors or just put a real basic gpu on die that doesn't add much heat- that can basically just be used to compute not really run actual 3d graphics..

on die is still a joke compared to discrete hi-end offerings.

These are mid-range desktop parts, you need an "enthusiast" model....

Intel say, "pay up or shut up" ?

dunx

P.S. Bloated software is your problem, an Amiga 2000 could do most PC tasks with a 7MHz CPU back in the mid 80's.
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post #150 of 155
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I think it's more that Intel realized that desktops CPUs were far outstripping the software requirements, and shifted focus to areas where it hadn't.  Intel is very proud of the performance/watt improvements of Haswell - that's pretty much all they've been trumpeting - they just don't seem to see a need for more desktop power.

That's a hasty assumption. For all we know, Intel can't increase performance very much anymore, and instead are focusing on other things because they're forced to. It's marketing's job to make whatever engineering puts out look as good as possible. We've seen it with Bulldozer, Fermi, and it's been a part of enthusiast life for years.

Personally, I don't see why Intel would stop moving towards improvement if they could. All of that would trickle down to lower models, which would make them have better price to performance, which would hit AMD where it's strongest.

Looking at 2600k and going "see, Intel has enough power for everything!" is very short-sighted. Intel ships a lot of chips in the 1ghz to 2ghz mobile range. 3.9ghz single thread turbo is pretty rare in the average joe's laptop.

But Intel creating a chip that can take more heat is ridiculous. It's on the same process node first of all, so it's pretty much impossible to make massive changes, and why would you make a mobile chip that has higher heat dissipation requirements? That means heavier laptops, thicker laptops, fat tablets, and loud fans.
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