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I've got a seasonic S12II 80+ bronze psu and I was wondering if it was ready for haswell? It dosn't seem to be listed as a supported power suply but I was wondering why and if it could damage the CPU using this psu? I have a 5 year warrenty, could I get it replaced or I need to spend money if I want to upgrade for haswell?
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Unfortunately, no because it has a group-regulated design. It would need a DC-DC design in order to be fully compatible.

 

I don't know what would happen, if anything.

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Haswell and PSU compatibility

Great - Modest tiers
- Seasonic S12II 520W: Does not meet spec. Source. Confirmed by Seasonic.

Entry - Destitute tiers
- Seasonic S12II 430W: Does not meet spec. Confirmed by Seasonic.




This is only if you use C6 and C7 power state




What will happen?

Is your power supply ready for Haswell?
Quote:
According to our sources, the new C6/C7 power states on the Haswell-Shark Bay platform will require the system power supply to be able to maintain a minimum current load of 0.05Amps on the CPU exclusive 12V2 rail (0.6W).

Read more: http://vr-zone.com/articles/is-your-power-supply-ready-for-haswell-/19848.html#ixzz2Tsl2WiA9

Older or bargain basement power supply units may be unable to achieve this, and might become unstable or trigger a UVP/OVP shutdown once the system enters the C6/C7 power states. This is because the previous ATX12V v2.3 design guidelines for Ivy Bridge and its predecessors only called for a minimum load of 0.5 Amps on the CPU power rail, hence a less sophisticated internal feedback loop/protection could be used in older or cost-reduced offerings, which will not support the new standards.

Edited by KaRLiToS - 5/20/13 at 5:24pm
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post #4 of 12
Pretty much in the worst-case scenario, you don't disable C6/C7, you put the computer to sleep, somehow draw a whole bunch of power on +5 V and +3.3 V (yeah, even though your computer is sleeping—good luck with that), the power supply goes out of whack a bit, and it shuts itself off. It's not like anything is actually on to be able to receive those high +12 V figures. So when you come back, instead of booting out of sleep, you'll be booting it from shutdown.

Or so it goes.
post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
Are those c7/c6 state on haswell only triggered while being in sleep more or it goes when it's idle. If so, I never put my computer to sleep so it would not matter?

that's a bummer, on top of buying a new mobo, some more ran and the cpu I need to get a psu... Q.Q
post #6 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaRLiToS View Post

Haswell and PSU compatibility

Great - Modest tiers
- Seasonic S12II 520W: Does not meet spec. Source. Confirmed by Seasonic.

Entry - Destitute tiers
- Seasonic S12II 430W: Does not meet spec. Confirmed by Seasonic.




This is only if you use C6 and C7 power state




What will happen?

Is your power supply ready for Haswell?
Quote:
According to our sources, the new C6/C7 power states on the Haswell-Shark Bay platform will require the system power supply to be able to maintain a minimum current load of 0.05Amps on the CPU exclusive 12V2 rail (0.6W).

Read more: http://vr-zone.com/articles/is-your-power-supply-ready-for-haswell-/19848.html#ixzz2Tsl2WiA9

Older or bargain basement power supply units may be unable to achieve this, and might become unstable or trigger a UVP/OVP shutdown once the system enters the C6/C7 power states. This is because the previous ATX12V v2.3 design guidelines for Ivy Bridge and its predecessors only called for a minimum load of 0.5 Amps on the CPU power rail, hence a less sophisticated internal feedback loop/protection could be used in older or cost-reduced offerings, which will not support the new standards.

 

Thank you!

 

 

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Originally Posted by kingduqc View Post

Are those c7/c6 state on haswell only triggered while being in sleep more or it goes when it's idle. If so, I never put my computer to sleep so it would not matter?

that's a bummer, on top of buying a new mobo, some more ran and the cpu I need to get a psu... Q.Q

 

These are idle states. If the motherboard has the ability to disable C6 and C7, then you won't have to make sure you have a compatible PSU.

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post #7 of 12
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Can't I disable those power saving state? That would save me a whole new psu
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Originally Posted by kingduqc View Post

Can't I disable those power saving state? That would save me a whole new psu

 

If the motherboard has the ability to disable C6 and C7, then you won't have to make sure you have a compatible PSU.

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Originally Posted by kingduqc View Post

Can't I disable those power saving state? That would save me a whole new psu

What is your motherboard?
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post #10 of 12
If your computer's not put to sleep, you're still going to have +12 V draw from the graphics cards, hard drives, fans, etc... no matter what the CPU is drawing.
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