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You really didn't bother to read the rest of the post did you?

Yes, I read your entire post and my statement stands. Your response doesn't even address the OP's question. And you apparently didn't read all of my response.
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Not looking to actually back them up, I just want Windows 7 to treat them as a single 10TB drive, without doing raid because that would mean one drive failure would take down the entire array and cause a huge data loss. Not sure if this is possible, but I was hoping there'd be a way. I have a video library that sits around 4TB so far and it's hard to keep it organized alphabetically across several drives, that's all.

Mind you, it seems you're talking about RAID-0. There are other RAID levels. Masta Squidge is proposing RAID-1 (1:1 mirroring). Other common RAID levels are RAID-5 and RAID-6. Caveat, with the latter 2, if you lose more drives than tolerance, your entire array is gone.
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Oh, lets go buy a NAS box. Oh look, a bunch of drives in raid being used to back up your data.

Only difference is it isn't in the same case, positive benefits include not having to do a damn thing to maintain it. Lower risk of data loss, precisely zero effort involved in backing anything up, as every bit is backed up on more than one drive automatically. Looks like a backup solution to me. But I guess it makes more sense to just use the NAS and burn up a bunch of effort transferring everything over the network every Sunday at noon.

I actually don't trust off the shelf NAS boxes. I prefer building my own file servers. At the very least, I'd prefer having the choice of operating system/software it runs. As for effort, rsync or scheduled backups takes care of that.
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Mind you, it seems you're talking about RAID-0. There are other RAID levels. Masta Squidge is proposing RAID-1 (1:1 mirroring). Other common RAID levels are RAID-5 and RAID-6. Caveat, with the latter 2, if you lose more drives than tolerance, your entire array is gone.

Granted, with RAID 0 (or any other RAID, for that matter), there would be just one directory but, if one drive fails, they all fail. Also, the OP would have to build the RAID, then restore his files to the new volume. He can't just combine his existing drives into a RAID and have the files already on the drives magically appear in the RAID.

What's with all the discussion about RAID, anyway? Although The OP just wants to be able to read the directories of all the drives he has videos stored on as one combined directory, not make changes to the drives themselves. Win 7 Libraries has already been suggested. Another option is a media management or cataloging program that catalogs the videos. The better ones will allow one to open the video to allow the associated player to play it (many of those also have their own players) and can link one to the file path to where the video is located (be it a single file or a group of files in a folder).
     
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It is one thing to read all of these directories with one screen, the library function of windows 7 and up does this just fine. But what do you think happens when you attempt to drag a media file into the library window? It doesn't just automatically pick a folder and put it there. It doesn't work that way at all. This is not solving the OP's problem in the slightest, seeing as he said he wishes to be able to organize said media.

If the entire intent is simply to display it and nothing else, then fine, question answered.

The problem OP thinks he has is that in raid losing one drive will cost him all his information. RAID 1 solves all of these problems. If he isn't using raid anyways, then the point about a bad PSU nuking all the drives is 100% moot. In either case he has all of the drives in one box to begin with, so that is irrelevant. With or without raid, if by some act of god that happens, he loses them all whether they are in raid or not.
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Granted, with RAID 0 (or any other RAID, for that matter), there would be just one directory but, if one drive fails, they all fail. Also, the OP would have to build the RAID, then restore his files to the new volume. He can't just combine his existing drives into a RAID and have the files already on the drives magically appear in the RAID.

That's overgeneralizing things. While that's true of RAID-0, RAID-5 can tolerate up to 1 drive failure while RAID-6 can tolerate up to 2 drive failures without losing any data. RAID-1 and RAID-10, you can lose up to half of the drives in your array without losing any data. Data migration is probably going to be a pain, though.

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What's with all the discussion about RAID, anyway? Although The OP just wants to be able to read the directories of all the drives he has videos stored on as one combined directory, not make changes to the drives themselves. Win 7 Libraries has already been suggested. Another option is a media management or cataloging program that catalogs the videos. The better ones will allow one to open the video to allow the associated player to play it (many of those also have their own players) and can link one to the file path to where the video is located (be it a single file or a group of files in a folder).

Just pointing out that there are other RAID options offering varying levels of redundancy aside from RAID-0. The two solutions I mentioned earlier, SnapRAID and FlexRAID, aren't RAID in the traditional sense. Both support drive pooling which is what the OP wants and both work on pre-existing data. As for media programs, XBMC does that. There are also a couple of Windows Media Center add-ons that are capable of this. I use WMC+Media Browser on our HTPCs.
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That's overgeneralizing things. While that's true of RAID-0, RAID-5 can tolerate up to 1 drive failure while RAID-6 can tolerate up to 2 drive failures without losing any data. RAID-1 and RAID-10, you can lose up to half of the drives in your array without losing any data. Data migration is probably going to be a pain, though...

You are absolutely correct. I don't know what I was thinking (other than RAID 0). However, any traditional RAID other than 0 would involve adding drives and all would
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...Just pointing out that there are other RAID options offering varying levels of redundancy aside from RAID-0. The two solutions I mentioned earlier, SnapRAID and FlexRAID, aren't RAID in the traditional sense. Both support drive pooling which is what the OP wants and both work on pre-existing data...

Not being familiar with SnapRAID and FlexRAID, I had to look them up. It appears that even they will require one or more disks in addition to the ones in use (granted, they do allow the use of already populated disks). Again, we're talking about adding redundancy (nothing wrong with that, btw), not just combining directories which is all the OP asked about.
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...As for media programs, XBMC does that. There are also a couple of Windows Media Center add-ons that are capable of this. I use WMC+Media Browser on our HTPCs.

I didn't bother to mention any since there are so many. Another one capable of providing a combined listing with advanced search features is MediaMonkey, with that one, it would probably be use an associated player rather than MediaMonkey's (although I do like their music player).
     
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It is one thing to read all of these directories with one screen, the library function of windows 7 and up does this just fine. But what do you think happens when you attempt to drag a media file into the library window? It doesn't just automatically pick a folder and put it there. It doesn't work that way at all. This is not solving the OP's problem in the slightest, seeing as he said he wishes to be able to organize said media.

If the entire intent is simply to display it and nothing else, then fine, question answered.

The problem OP thinks he has is that in raid losing one drive will cost him all his information. RAID 1 solves all of these problems. If he isn't using raid anyways, then the point about a bad PSU nuking all the drives is 100% moot. In either case he has all of the drives in one box to begin with, so that is irrelevant. With or without raid, if by some act of god that happens, he loses them all whether they are in raid or not.

I was looking for a strictly cosmetic way of combining drives.

I don't want to go with raid 0 because it would take down every drive if there was a fault with one drive, like you said. However, I also don't want to go with any fault-tolerant versions of raid because they demand space for redundancy.

From what I can gather from this thread, what I'm looking for still doesn't exist. Nontheless, rep party. Thanks fellas.
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Originally Posted by Mookster View Post

I was looking for a strictly cosmetic way of combining drives.

I don't want to go with raid 0 because it would take down every drive if there was a fault with one drive, like you said. However, I also don't want to go with any fault-tolerant versions of raid because they demand space for redundancy.

From what I can gather from this thread, what I'm looking for still doesn't exist. Nontheless, rep party. Thanks fellas.

It does exist. FlexRAID allows storage pooling without needing to enable redundancy. Actual, the FlexRAID RAID-F (redundancy) and Storage Pooling are 2 separate products.

SnapRAID, I'm pretty sure, will let you do the same. Parity syncing is done manually so as long as you don't run that, parity data wouldn't take up space.
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