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Yes but last gen consoles upgraded us from SD to HD... When they came out HD TVs just started to sell.

The upcoming consoles are not upgrading us to anything above HD.

The Xbox360 came out in 2005, and XboxOne will come out in 2014. A total of 9 years difference. Let us assume that the next Xbox will come out in 2022. Will people still be happy at HD gaming? 1080p gaming?

1080p will look medieval in a few years yet consoles will not support anything higher.

Unless Microsoft or Sony's vision is to come up with new consoles in every 3-4 years which I doubt.

Yes 1440p and 1600p is getting popular. I am talking about PC monitors. Not TV. 

But 4K TVs made an apperance. It can be purchased now. They are expensive but so was HD TVs when they first came out. In  afew years there will be lots of 4K TV owners yet no console to match it up in gameplay wise.

PS4 and Xbox One will get older the faster. Because technology is improving rapidly every year.

Maybe the current console generation won it over PC gaming, but PC gaming will surely shine brighter next gen. The gap will be wider.


360/ps3 was 720p HD era
xbox one/ps4 will be 1080p era
Consoles after that will be 4k era

Nothing is wrong here. 1080p isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Blu-ray is still only 1080p and really for the first few years 4K will be using 1080p sources upscaled. By the time 4k really starts to become a serious median the xbox one/ps4 will be half way through a life cycle.

4K will take off on OLED screens, until then we just have to wait.


Also the plasma screens blew away crt based TV's at the time. We still have a crt Rear projection in our back room not being used. Can do 1080i and looks fine, but nothing like a clear picture a 720p lcd or plasma tv would give those days. Also smaller 720p screens weren't much more expensive then the bigger more budget friendly rear projection tvs at the time. Xbox worked great with 1080i because of the internal scaling chip.
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There needs to be a revolution in technology before prices go down, adoption goes up and other technologies are developed to enable smooth framerates over 60FPS gaming playback at 4K aka HDMI 2.0 or DP coming out of the back of a console. For now, you can get a 4K TV on the cheap for $1.5K or get a name brand model for upwards of $5-8K. Good luck with that.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6370287-4.html

 

Plasma TV prices in 2005 when Xbox 360 came out. A 720p capable 42 inch plasma TV cost like $2000

 

Current 4K TVs are in the 50 inch range and in 2005 a 50 inch Panasonic Plasma cost around $4000 (capable of 720p not even 1080p)

 

They were not popular and people were afraid to purchase them. But thanks to competition and better technology things evolved prices got lower and in a very few years 1080p became mainstream

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Why would I troll for attention? 

Were 1080p TVs main stream in 2005 or 2006 when PS3 or Xbox360 came out? Do you know how expensive it was to own a 720p TV that gave terrible image quality over our big ass CRT TVs? How many Full HD contents were available in 2005 or 2006? When PS3 and Xbox360 came out?

Yea, I do know about HDTV availability back in 2005....considering HD, not to be confused with ED, Plasma TVs first hit the market in 1999!

You could buy a top brand LCD or Plasma in 2005 for half the cost of what the 4K TV is right now! Not to mention the Plasma and LCD TV in 2005 was capable of 60Hz, unlike the current 4K offerings on the low end which only offer 30Hz at 4K!

Now add into the fact that even SLi-Titans can't drive 4K at 60 FPS, and you actually expected a console to even support driving a video game of any level at that resolution? Do you have any idea how many pixel per second that is? What kind of horsepower is required?

EDIT:

Here is the $5,000 Sony Bravia 4K display....

http://store.sony.com/p/Sony-4K-TV-Ultra-HD/en/p/XBR55X900A#specifications

30 FPS at 4K resolution!
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Actually (in the UK at least) the mainstream TVs were pretty much all 16:9 CRTs or 720p LCD TVs if you were rich. It was only really the very rich who had 1080p TVs back then.

Exactly. Here in Turkey too. CRT was the way to go for a while as well. When PS3 came out I was afraid to ask my father to purchase us a LCD or a Plasma that produced 720p. Forget about 1080p. 

 

Same story now. 4K is here but for the rich. But not for long. It will be widely available fast.

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Originally Posted by DzillaXx View Post


360/ps3 was 720p HD era
xbox one/ps4 will be 1080p era
Consoles after that will be 4k era

Nothing is wrong here. 1080p isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Blu-ray is still only 1080p and really for the first few years 4K will be using 1080p sources upscaled. By the time 4k really starts to become a serious median the xbox one/ps4 will be half way through a life cycle.

4K will take off on OLED screens, until then we just have to wait.

 

Although you are right that most games were 720p capable this gen, we could still play few games at 1080p quality. Not AAA titles perhaps.

 

With this gen 1080p 60fps is also a mystery I am telling you.

 

4K wil take off soon. Oled is around the corner as far as I know.

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Yea, I do know about HDTV availability back in 2005....considering HD, not to be confused with ED, Plasma TVs first hit the market in 1999!

You could buy a top brand LCD or Plasma in 2005 for half the cost of what the 4K TV is right now! Not to mention the Plasma and LCD TV in 2005 was capable of 60Hz, unlike the current 4K offerings on the low end which only offer 30Hz at 4K!

Now add into the fact that even SLi-Titans can't drive 4K at 60 FPS, and you actually expected a console to even support driving a video game of any level at that resolution? Do you have any idea how many pixel per second that is? What kind of horsepower is required?

 

I never said I expected it to run 4K.

 

All I said was it is not groundbreaking tech. PS2 to PS3 was groundbreaking as well as Xbox to Xbox 360 because it introduced HD to our lives. Many of us purchased HD TVs for consoles. 

 

THe new gen is just an upgrade. Nothing groundbraking. We are still stuck at HD gaming. Not saying it is bad, but it will get older much faster.

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I never said I expected it to run 4K.

All I said was it is not groundbreaking tech. PS2 to PS3 was groundbreaking as well as Xbox to Xbox 360 because it introduced HD to our lives. Many of us purchased HD TVs for consoles. 

THe new gen is just an upgrade. Nothing groundbraking. We are still stuck at HD gaming. Not saying it is bad, but it will get older much faster.

That is not true. It wasn't HD gaming that drove TVs...it was the HD movies...or HD vs Blue Ray...and HD TV cable. ETC
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That is not true. It wasn't HD gaming that drove TVs...it was the HD movies...or HD vs Blue Ray...and HD TV cable. ETC

For some it was just HD gaming. 

 

But for some it was the Movies.

 

Gaming was a reason that Plasmas or LCDs were adapted fast. Not the only reason, but an important reason.

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http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/05/Xbox-Reveal-Infograph1.jpg

And then people try to tell me "graphics doesn't matter, only the gameplay matters hurr durr". rolleyes.gif

The average "gamer" these days cares about nothing but graphics. That doesn't mean they're correct.
    
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I never said I expected it to run 4K.

All I said was it is not groundbreaking tech. PS2 to PS3 was groundbreaking as well as Xbox to Xbox 360 because it introduced HD to our lives. Many of us purchased HD TVs for consoles. 

THe new gen is just an upgrade. Nothing groundbraking. We are still stuck at HD gaming. Not saying it is bad, but it will get older much faster.

While many CRT TV's at the time also had component for 1080i
When the 360 launched you could pick up a rather big rear projection tv and get 1080i with a xbox and have all the game scale fine (unlike the ps3 what will kick you down to 480p if the content is 720P)
Everything was still pretty clear, lot cleaner then using composite. We got a 52" for under 1k with awesome built in sound, 360 games were clear and defiantly had that HD look. Though going from that to a 1080p screen defiantly made it more crisp. But I wouldn't say HD during the time was super expensive, just plasma screens.
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I never said I expected it to run 4K.

All I said was it is not groundbreaking tech. PS2 to PS3 was groundbreaking as well as Xbox to Xbox 360 because it introduced HD to our lives. Many of us purchased HD TVs for consoles. 

THe new gen is just an upgrade. Nothing groundbraking. We are still stuck at HD gaming. Not saying it is bad, but it will get older much faster.

I......I just don't even know......

Then why are you making the argument for 4K? Why did you even bring in resolution to this?

Look, I don't know what HD TV availability was like in Turkey in 2005, but they were pretty prevalent here in the US, and high performing TVs were well within the financial reach of many people. Now toss in your off the wall cheaper brands, they became even more common.

4K TVs right now are not within the reach of many, and do not perform. Your 4K TVs that are available are 24 fps/hz capped when running 4K content, with the exception of SOME the ~$25,000 variants!

You also run into the issue of content. A Blu-Ray disk simply can't store a 4K movie right now, and the new Ultra-Disk hasn't been officially set by the Blu-Ray Association. So even if the console, from a hardware perspective, support 4K, you still couldn't use it. As you would have no way of getting it to the console for use!
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