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If I could buy a laptop that could log me in when it saw my face in a quick manor and that had great voice capabilities then yes I would. I loved having a figure print reader on my old laptop, and not having to type a password would be great.

Next time I bring my laptop over to my friends and need to pause the movie, no need to fumble around for the mouse. "computer pause" and "computer resume" would be awesome. Not only that but bring hand gestures to windows as well, for air movements. Toss all that with a touch screen as well and you would have a laptop with more input options and more possibilities then ever before.

not really the point of the overall kinect discussion
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not really the point of the overall kinect discussion
He did ask the question...

This is what this tech will lead to, the future.
Hating on it will do you no good.

If forcing the tech through consoles means in the future I can swipe my hand from right to left and have my windows chime bar pop out then I all for it.


Big brother is already here
If I Google some location on my pc and then look at my phone I get a notification if I want to GPS to that location. I stopped caring a long time ago, because its not going away. Company's like Google already know so much about you, trying to avoid it is pretty hard.
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If Microsoft are charging for an online service in this day and age it's their responsibility to make sure their service is upto par, what goes on behind the scenes isn't my problem, not to mention i'm talking about first party games like Gears of War and Halo, if i pay to play online i expect a lag-free service at the very least which i didn't get with the 360, for years i put up with it until i built my first PC a couple of years ago, stopped paying for Live since and havn't looked back. :

Lets see gears of war is made by epic not Microsoft and gears online has nothing to do with live, but yes gears 1 and 2 lagged like crap and epic acknowledged it and fixed it in gears 3 . Yes Halo was laggy and it is owned by Microsoft but since Bungie has left I have not note-est really an lag playing there latest games with the new studio. I also note-est real no lag in Forza another one of Xbox's exclusives. In the end its up to you to fine if there is value in one system or the other but I have never regretted pay for Xbox live but I have regretted Buy the PS3 because I favor Xbox live for my online gaming and just use my PS3 for its exclusives but that me. biggrin.gif
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This is a bad thing? 

 

What else is it monitoring? Why is it monitoring?

 

The issue here is that there is a camera in your living room constantly on and connected to the internet through Microsofts cloud servers. The plausible uses for this are many outside of just gaming and being innovative for our benefit.

 

Now if someone drops dead, has a heart attack, and it calls 999 for them, I'd on one hand call that innovative, and lifesaving, but on the other hand it's still an invasion of privacy and would just prove that it's always watching you.

 

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It seems you can have one live account for multipul users, though you can probably only be logged with the main live account in one place at a time. Probably not a good idea to lend games to people you can't trust anyways, though being on a flash drive would make it more secure. Like bring your current 360 profile over on a flash drive allows you to play games you own.

 

You are thinking about the Family Pack which is already in effect, it won't resolve the problem. Why would Microsoft look to resolve this when they stand to make money from it?

 

Accounts will also be stored in the cloud from what I can gather.

 

Sure you shouldn't lend games to people you cannot trust, but there's a difference between sharing a physical game disc and an electronic account with your personal details, etc on it. Even if you can trust your friend, mistakes can be made.

 

It is also still against TOS to share, sell, pass on, your account.
 

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Even if there is a fee for used games, it will probably be a few bucks at most. Though being able to never need discs is a huge plus, plus your not wearing down the blu-ray laser.

 

Currently an online pass over here is somewhere around £10 I think (been a while since I saw Xbox prices as I no longer own one). When you take into account that you've just purchased a game used, or are just borrowing it, that's actually quite a lot. It's not just a few quid, which would probably be more reasonably accepted (or the price of a rental).

 

 

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If Microsoft are charging for an online service in this day and age it's their responsibility to make sure their service is upto par, what goes on behind the scenes isn't my problem, not to mention i'm talking about first party games like Gears of War and Halo, if i pay to play online i expect a lag-free service at the very least which i didn't get with the 360, for years i put up with it until i built my first PC a couple of years ago, stopped paying for Live since and havn't looked back. :

 

You'll never get a one hundred percent lag free multiplayer service because there's just way too many variables in todays modern "international" infrastructure to take into account, even with dedicated servers. All dedicated servers do, for the most part, is eliminate host advantage and take the strain of a host players system. It won't make everybody's connection troubles magically disappear overnight.


Edited by Lifeshield - 5/23/13 at 9:55am
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facepalms for (almost) everyone ITT.

when xbone is not ON (i.e. in a a low power state) obviously the kinect's camera will not be active and even more obviously it will not be recording anything as that would require the xbone to be ON

when you say "xbox on" the system wakes up, kinect can now track your body movement.
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Microsoft should understand that Xbox is not 'The One'. :lol:
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What else is it monitoring? Why is it monitoring?

The issue here is that there is a camera in your living room constantly on and connected to the internet through Microsofts cloud servers. The plausible uses for this are many outside of just gaming and being innovative for our benefit.

Now if someone drops dead, has a heart attack, and it calls 999 for them, I'd on one hand call that innovative, and lifesaving, but on the other hand it's still an invasion of privacy and would just prove that it's always watching you.


You are thinking about the Family Pack which is already in effect, it won't resolve the problem. Why would Microsoft look to resolve this when they stand to make money from it?

Accounts will also be stored in the cloud from what I can gather.

Sure you shouldn't lend games to people you cannot trust, but there's a difference between sharing a physical game disc and an electronic account with your personal details, etc on it. Even if you can trust your friend, mistakes can be made.

It is also still against TOS to share, sell, pass on, your account.

 

Currently an online pass over here is somewhere around £10 I think (been a while since I saw Xbox prices as I no longer own one). When you take into account that you've just purchased a game used, or are just borrowing it, that's actually quite a lot. It's not just a few quid, which would probably be more reasonably accepted (or the price of a rental).

The camera is not recording you and sending the data over the internet when sleeping.

At most the hardware in the camera itself or while the console is in low power mode it just feeding it enough power to allow it to recognize your voice/image and turn on.

Everything is local and highly locked down, MS also has the ability to patch any known volubility.
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facepalms for (almost) everyone ITT.

when xbone is not ON (i.e. in a a low power state) obviously the kinect's camera will not be active and even more obviously it will not be recording anything as that would require the xbone to be ON

when you say "xbox on" the system wakes up, kinect can now track your body movement.

Well I think people understand that. I was sort of assuming people meant while they were using it. Which if you are supposed to watch all your TV through it means most of time in the living room. If I am not using the TV I will be in a different room...heh, which is most of the time.

If it were on all the time and recording it would not be a big deal if was recording when no one was in the room anyway...well, unless a bugler was hacking in to see if some one was home. It is a big deal if it is recording at all times while the device is actually in use since that means some one is there in front of it.
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The camera is not recording you and sending the data over the internet when sleeping.

 

You don't know this for definite anymore than I do know it for definite.

 

What I do know is that I do not trust a company like Microsoft enough to not do it. Therefore I will not be buying it. I forever remain sceptical until the technology (and hackers, because they're always the ones that expose the real deal biggrin.gif) proven otherwise. thumb.gif

 

That comes from someone who has supported the Xbox and Xbox 360 consoles from day one. That's how strongly I feel about it all. wink.gif


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The main missing piece of information is if you can be logged on multiple times. I have not heard or read anything on that. It seems right now it is fine if you are going with the game, but what if you gave some one a disk for a week? Would you still be able to log in at home while your friend was logged on as you? I am guessing no...but at this point it is just a guess. I know you can't on the current Xbox live.

I mean heck...if you are going with the game you could toss your whole Xbox in a back pack if you had too. I don't think people are two concerned about taking a game to different machines at this point.

There is no way that MS allows an account to be logged in on multiple machines at the same time, think about it.
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