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Funny? What would be so funny about it? wth.gif

If AMD drop really down below, I don't think you would be laughing after seing the already high prices of Nvidia and Intel being even higher. Indeed.
Some people can't see the bigger picture. Their minds are clouded by brand preference with no regard for the consequences the removal of the competing brand will have on the market. Almost as silly as those PS3 vs Xbox kids tbh.

You need AMD for Nvidia to be awesome, you need IOS for Android to be awesome, you need the 360 for the PS3 to be awesome. Competition is what makes things awesome lol.
Edited by th3illusiveman - 5/21/13 at 11:34pm
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. Competition is what makes things awesome lol.

That's actually incorrect. Demand creates awesome things. Demand creates competition, which in turn fuels Demand. The demand for smaller, lighter, more portable devices is what created smartphones. That list goes on and on and on. Did Railroad companies innovate much? No, nothing came out of that competition. But the demand for an affordable vehicle is what created the Model T. smile.gif
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That's actually incorrect. Demand creates awesome things. Demand creates competition, which in turn fuels Demand. The demand for smaller, lighter, more portable devices is what created smartphones. That list goes on and on and on. Did Railroad companies innovate much? No, nothing came out of that competition. But the demand for an affordable vehicle is what created the Model T. smile.gif

If Ford asked people what they wanted, they wouldve told Ford they wanted a faster horse.
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If Ford asked people what they wanted, they wouldve told Ford they wanted a faster horse.

A cheap one actually. Which is exactly what Ford did. Unless you think that those 0.5% of the population who could easily afford 30 horses was the demographic Ford was targeting.
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post #75 of 96
Nothing new here,old news. XBOX + PS4 +APU sales will keep them among the leaders.
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post #76 of 96
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Nothing new here,old news. XBOX + PS4 +APU sales will keep them among the leaders.

Financially, not so much, as it still only gives chump change.

But the fact that games will be natively coded for 8-cores, Jaguar, GCN, and more importantly, HSA, that will give AMD an upper hand over Nivida and Intel. Intel's CPUs would start to look bad once games start to pick up GPU-computation support through HSA, and given proper coding, a IGP will beat even the Haswell i5s silly through brute parallel power.

For Nividia, they won't give up CUDA anytime soon. They'll still have the domination on the scientific/research market, but It looks likes it'll be easier to code for HSA using plain C++ than with CUDA.

What AMD needs however, is developer support, and surviving long enough to see the advantages appear. What the competition has to do, is also adopt HSA, or find a hard counter to HSA that can even negate the two consoles.
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I wonder if AMD will change its mind and try and match the new 780. I am tired of nvidia but they always tend to take a lead when I am ready to buy lol. Course if i get stuck on the road working like this for a long time I will have to get a laptop which will be whoever makes an all amd 8970 laptop that isn't 17 inches first lol.

 

Just buy a laptop now with a 7970m in it.  It's the same thing as the 8970.  

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Financially, not so much, as it still only gives chump change.

But the fact that games will be natively coded for 8-cores (relatively weak 6-7 cores depending on OS requirements), Jaguar, GCN, and more importantly, HSA, that will give AMD an upper hand over Nivida and Intel. Intel's CPUs would start to look bad once games start to pick up GPU-computation support through HSA, and given proper coding, a IGP will beat even the Haswell i5s silly through brute parallel power.

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What AMD needs however, is developer support, and surviving long enough to see the advantages appear. What the competition has to do, is also adopt HSA, or find a hard counter to HSA that can even negate the two consoles.

 

Developers will develop for the market that grants them the largest profit.  Developers may see HSA on the consoles and really only take advantage of it for exclusives, because the biggest market share includes Intel and Nvidia.  Developers would be retarded to alienate their potential customers.  

 

Not to mention, these Jaguar CPU's are meant for laptops.  You won't see any recent Intel CPU's sweating next to these Jaguars 

 

EDIT: Grammar edit


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Consoles often times dictate what gets ported to the PC. DX9 is popular to this day because you can't stick a DX11 game onto a Xbox 360 or PS3. Many of the games' RAM diet also carried over to the PC.

They implement HSA, it will get ported over. And HSA appears to be easier to code for than Intel's or Nividia's solutions, which also plays a large role (EX: Why waste time coding for a quad or hexa-core when you can simply leave the dual-core support alone?).

Also, the mutli-core compatibility will also be ported. It's easier to scale up the performance using a higher clocked Steamroller, than to scale up performance from a 4-core CPU to a 8-core CPU if the game was built for quad-cores.
Edited by A Bad Day - 5/22/13 at 6:55am
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No wonder we get $1k Titans... lol
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