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hi I am a lonngtime lurker here, i need some help and feedback regarding my upgrade path. I feel like I have too many questions for a post..

I am currently reviewing my options for an upgrade to my sig rig in 1-2 month timeframe. I would like to start eliminating possibilities ahead of the haswell release slated for june 3 (?)

im basically looking at a 3 way sli capable lga 2011 asus mobo paired with an i7 3820 (as a placeholder) being a viable upgrade path to quad channel, future 3 way sli on pcie 3.0, and having 40 lanes or something pcie to be awesome 3/4 way sli.

known:
  • upgrading mobo - 3 way sli, asus only, 4 way future is minor consideration
  • upgrading ram - 32GB
  • upgrading to SSD - m4 256gb or equivalent
  • if upgrading cpu then intel, min 4 cores, min 8MB L3 cache, OC >= 4.4GHz, hyperthreading
  • looking to run 3x evga 570HD 2560MB
  • win 7 pro 64bit
  • 3x 1920x1080 triple monitor setup

"jollys work":
heavy multitasking environment... 150+ processes in taskmanager, all 3 browsers 100+ tabs, full Microsoft office pro suite open, sql database and visualization software, several other memory hog programs, 25 tray processes, left on 24/7, power cycled once a week when not benching

games it already destroys so i need no help there, we need to focus on making it able to do 500 things at once. i cannot overstate this, i am looking to have EVERYTHING open and doing stuff at the same time, whatever makes that happen better and faster is what i want to know. we want to reduce stuttering, screen lag, program opening times, VBA and SQL calcs.

any advice is good advice, cost is definately a consideration, however the main focus is on performance and future proofing, i want to lock in a mobo for ~2 years, cpu/ram/nvidia/storage upgradeable.

SHORT QUESTIONS -

1) do i want quad channel?
2) do i want 6 cores?
3) does RAM speed improve system performance for jollys work?
4) how important is L3 cache for jollys work?
5) what improves responsiveness and lag on 1155/2011: CPU, RAM or both?

SSD - done, getting it, if this is going to completely resolve all my issues let me know and i wont spend any money on all this other stuff... im assuming it has little to do with desktop application performance, loading times and pagefile swapping being exceptions.

CPU - is this my bottleneck? will 6 cores help alot with having 500 things open? it seems like my system is more like bursts of activity happen, and im not sure how efficient it is at distributing them across all 4 cores... so i wonder will an extra 2 cores translate to 50% better at crushing out its workload? or will 4 cores overclocked heavily beast out enough computing to leave the bottlenecks elsewhere on the system?

RAM - going to buy the appropriate RAM for the setup, im open to anything up to blazing ridiculous way too expensive RAM if it will help system response and stability.

quad channel ram

assuming i had the best quad channel mobo and 2400 ram 8x4 32GB, is the processor going to be a bottleneck @ eg lga 2011 i7 3820 OC 4.5 ghz?

i dont understand how computers work frown.gif

do I NEED quad channel - will it help at all with pagefile swapping speeds, if I have enough ram (32GB) will I even use my pagefile, with the SSD will I notice swapping? any other performance benefit of quad channel, will really fast ram help with any lag or stuttering in a desktop environment? does a badass cpu and mobo even take advantage of quad channel if you plan to run 32GB? or is dual channel all you need unless going for 64GB+?

MOBO - if i dont need quad channel cause it does nothing for performance even if you get a $1000 cpu, $400 mobo, and 8 sticks of RAM, and if 6 cores isnt the answer, then WHAT AM I BUYING?? any benefit to haswell 1150 over 1155 mobo and current cpu?

super apologies for this poorly prepared wall of text, thanks in advance for any advice.
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You should get an SSD of at least 256GB first. Reconsider if you still want to upgrade after that, but I think an SSD is all you need atm.
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For the level of multitasking you've mentioned, 6 cores and more RAM will definitely be beneficial to performance. That being said, I'd recommend waiting for Ivy-E and the X99 motherboards to be released. Those CPUs will definitely show a performance improvement over Sandy-E. Plus, if Intel releases an octa-core CPU, you can get that since your work will actually use the extra cores.

To answer your questions:
1) AFAIK, lower number of modules perform better than higher. So, a dual channel kit is more recommendable over a quad channel kit.
2) Yes, you do. While games do not really need/ benefit much from the extra cores, professional work surely does.

Get the best 512GB SSD you can. Use it as the boot drive and applications drive. It will definitely decrease loading times for your applications provided you install them on the SSD.
Best SSD at the moment is probably the Samsung 840 Pro series. It has a 500GB (or maybe 512GB) version available.

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You should get an SSD of at least 256GB first. Reconsider if you still want to upgrade after that, but I think an SSD is all you need atm.

yes right now my footprint is already over 140gb with no considerations as to limiting its size. I am 100% getting the SSD, i think maybe u are right that i should just get it first and see then how it handles when i overload the system. but part of the reason i am trying to answer the question ahead of this is that i know i am swapping heavily @ 8GB ram, and this is where most of my performance issue lies, i cant even run everything i want open i have to close stuff and then open it again.

i am looking to avoid buying a bunch of medium RAM, then having to buy awesome RAM right after, since my mobo upgrade will be done within 2 months max, and asap. ideally id like to determine if there will be any benefit to 6 cores or quad channel memory, decide on a mobo based off this since the price gaps are huge for 2011.

its either

a) stick with current i5 2500k, new 1155 mobo with 3 way sli, 32GB dual channel DDR3 1600 4x8
b) go to 2011 3/4way sli, 32GB quad channel DDR3, 4core as placeholder for 6core
c) Haswell 4core 3way sli 32GB dual channel

all options will include adding 256GB SSD as boot

keeping in mind all this is powering 3x 570 HD 2560MB which are pcie 2.0 cards, and triple monitor desktop.

(a) only makes sense if (b) and (c) do not offer significant performance gains over (a) in my described environment.

the main reason this is all so important is that major hardware changes represent a HUGE risk and timesink for me. if im doing a mobo swap i have to be prepared to potentially reinstall windows which tbh in my case represents 80 hours front to back. this is worth more to me than all the parts. so i want to make sure im not doing it again for at least 2 years.
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For the level of multitasking you've mentioned, 6 cores and more RAM will definitely be beneficial to performance. That being said, I'd recommend waiting for Ivy-E and the X99 motherboards to be released.

thanks for your help, so i think that's +1 vote for 6 cores helping with having a ridiculous amount of stuff open. and im deffo getting an SSD asap, only need 256GB.

unfortunately if i have my release dates right (ivy-e in sept 2013) that falls outside the window of how long im willing to wait. i will have a completed build within 2 months of the 26th. so by july 26th. so i think the only thing on the block is 1150 and 2011, or stick with 1155 with which i am *quite* familiar.

i have no doubts that by adding SSD as boot and upping to 32GB DDR3 on an 1155 mobo would get me by, if that is the only logical option then that is what i will do, and i will actually be able to buy a car soon. now... if there is ANY chance that ANY combination of the following will improve the actual cap at which i start experiencing delays, im leaning heavily towards those features.

6 cores, bigger L3, faster DDR3, quad channel
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i should also say raw cpu performance does factor in to some extent, and i really have no idea how much hyperthreading or multi-cores helps me out. some applications don't use hyperthreading at all, theres a lot for me to consider. i run excel VBA scripts to sort half million row lists, and i use software called tableau which is data visualisation and i think its SQL driven. this queries databases of similar proportions, for example 53MB excel file imported to tableau database is a 23MB database file, representing half a million rows and 25 columns of alphanumeric data.

im not planning to upgrade to newer Microsoft office anytime soon, excel 2010 and tableau are the 2 main programs i use which require CPU crunching for extended periods. some of my bad vba scripts run for a few minutes, tableau visualizations can take up to 40 seconds to calculate if the view you create is stupid enough. that's @ 4.4GHz 2500k. id imagine memory swaps are partly to blame, but with 4GB free i really don't know how it could use it all up prefetching on one dataset...

anyone with experience in excel VBA or SQL performance on desktops plz let me know your thoughts on what is actually bottlenecking a modern system during these kinds of operations.
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To be entirely honest. I imagine if you upgraded to a nicer Z77 motherboard, like an ASRock Z77 Extreme6 or Gigabyte Z77X UD3H or UD4H (or whatever ASUS equivalent you wanted). Picked up 32GB of some 2133MHz memory. Went with a nice All-in-One water cooling solution; Corsair H100i/H110, Swiftech H220, NZXT Kraken x60. Overclocked that 2500k to 4.8GHz (possibly higher, 4.4 really isn't anything at all, might even be able to make 5.0GHz who knows) and lastly added a nice 500GB SSD for OS/Programs (Crucial M500 480GB). You will more than likely see a serious performance increase with your current rig, and to be honest it should be able to handle all the tasks you are looking for it to do without any issues.

What I see your current problems are; 1) You don't have that much memory for what you are trying to do 8GB in this instance isn't enough, the memory is standard 1600MHz memory so things will seem a lot more snappier @ 2133MHz. 2) You don't have an SSD, without an SSD a mechanical harddrive starts to prove to be a bottleneck regardless of how fast everything else is trying to run. 3) 4.4GHz isn't really that much of an overclock to be honest. With proper cooling you can take Sandy to 5.0GHz all day long without breaking a sweat. When these 2500K's start to get in the 5.0/5.1/5.2GHz range their performance numbers increase drastically (just take a look at my Cinebench scores for an example)

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About RAM : I've already told you what I know about Dual Channel vs Quad Channel. Now, about the RAM speeds (if thats how you measure "medium" and "awesome" RAM), the current Intel CPUs do not officially support RAM with over 1600MHz speed. They can surely handle RAM of higher speeds, but you probably wont be able to see the difference when working. So its better to save some money and get some 1600MHz RAM modules in my opinion. You can still overclock the RAM to higher speeds if you need it.

About CPU : Why are you in such a hurry to complete the upgrade within two months if you're going to keep it for two years? But if you have no option other than that, I'd say you should most definitely get a 2011 mobo (preferably an ASUS Rampage IV Extreme, if money is not an issue) along with a 3930K and overclock the CPU to a decent level to get the most performance out of it. A quad-core CPU without hyper-threading (like all i5s and i3s) is not recommendable to keep for another two years for your line of work, especially a two year old one like the 2500K. If you're going to keep the 1155 setup, then at least get a 3770K. The higher IPC along with the HT should somewhat boost performance and also make it a better option than a 2500K. Haswell will require changing the motherboard and if you're willing to go through that hassle, then might as well go ahead and get the 2011 setup. Besides, Haswell wont have any 6-core CPUs, only quad-cores.

Also, if L3 really makes a difference to your work like you make it out to be, then it might be worth getting the 3960X (15M L3; $1000) over the 3930K (12M L3; ~$600).
Check these out : 3960X vs 3970X 3930K

About GPU : Do you really need that much GPU power for your work? If so, then I strongly suggest that you get rid of the 570s you have and get the best card you can get for the budget you have for GPUs. You can pick from AMD or nvidia. 570s are two generations old and a new 780 will perform similar or better than two 570s in SLI. SLI is not worth the hassle imo, especially when there are better and newer options out there. Find out whether your applications benefit from nvidia's GPUs or AMD's ones, and then pick one between the 7970 or the 780. And if your work demands the power and you have the money, go the extra mile and get a Titan. Its supposed to have amazing compute capabilities (near about K20s) and is supposed to be helpful for professional work.

About the applications : I think google is your best friend when it comes to identifying what hardware your software will really benefit from. Find that out, and proceed with upgrading accordingly. I think this will be the best way to approach your problem, because it wont improve performance if you upgrade one thing and the problem was with totally another different thing.
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About RAM : I've already told you what I know about Dual Channel vs Quad Channel. Now, about the RAM speeds (if thats how you measure "medium" and "awesome" RAM), the current Intel CPUs do not officially support RAM with over 1600MHz speed. They can surely handle RAM of higher speeds, but you probably wont be able to see the difference when working. So its better to save some money and get some 1600MHz RAM modules in my opinion. You can still overclock the RAM to higher speeds if you need it.

About CPU : Why are you in such a hurry to complete the upgrade within two months if you're going to keep it for two years? But if you have no option other than that, I'd say you should most definitely get a 2011 mobo (preferably an ASUS Rampage IV Extreme, if money is not an issue) along with a 3930K and overclock the CPU to a decent level to get the most performance out of it. A quad-core CPU without hyper-threading (like all i5s and i3s) is not recommendable to keep for another two years for your line of work, especially a two year old one like the 2500K. If you're going to keep the 1155 setup, then at least get a 3770K. The higher IPC along with the HT should somewhat boost performance and also make it a better option than a 2500K. Haswell will require changing the motherboard and if you're willing to go through that hassle, then might as well go ahead and get the 2011 setup. Besides, Haswell wont have any 6-core CPUs, only quad-cores.

Also, if L3 really makes a difference to your work like you make it out to be, then it might be worth getting the 3960X (15M L3; $1000) over the 3930K (12M L3; ~$600).
Check these out : 3960X vs 3970X 3930K

About GPU : Do you really need that much GPU power for your work? If so, then I strongly suggest that you get rid of the 570s you have and get the best card you can get for the budget you have for GPUs. You can pick from AMD or nvidia. 570s are two generations old and a new 780 will perform similar or better than two 570s in SLI. SLI is not worth the hassle imo, especially when there are better and newer options out there. Find out whether your applications benefit from nvidia's GPUs or AMD's ones, and then pick one between the 7970 or the 780. And if your work demands the power and you have the money, go the extra mile and get a Titan. Its supposed to have amazing compute capabilities (near about K20s) and is supposed to be helpful for professional work.

About the applications : I think google is your best friend when it comes to identifying what hardware your software will really benefit from. Find that out, and proceed with upgrading accordingly. I think this will be the best way to approach your problem, because it wont improve performance if you upgrade one thing and the problem was with totally another different thing.

Saying you won't notice faster ram, is just a flat out lie. I noticed a difference from going to 1600MHz to 1866MHz to 2133MHz. Not just in benchmarks, but in day to day tasks and in games. The performance increases are there, and with the price of memory lately (especially the differences between 1600MHz memory and 2133MHz memory) there is not a single reason not to get faster memory. People need to stop repeating what they hear, because saying memory over 1600MHz is useless just isn't true at all. It's like telling someone not to get a car with more horsepower because there are speed limits (which may be true, but when you can utilize the power the power will be utilized)

And as much as a 3930K or a 3770k would be ideal for his situation. I really don't see how a highly overclocked 2500k couldn't handle his tasks he's not doing any video editing, encoding, or anything super ridiculous where more cores are needed. His issue is mostly a memory issue, and of course the bottleneck of a mechanical harddrive. For instance, I can have multiple applications running in the background (audacity, winamp, 3-4 microsoft word documents, steam, league of legends), with Chrome open with 10-20 tabs open (while downloading multiple 1GB files), while encoding/burning a DVD, and playing an intensive gave like Metro Last Light without noticing any hindered performance in game at all with my 2500k. That's with only a 4.8GHz overclock, 16GB of 2133MHz memory, and not even an SSD. With an SSD, more memory, and a higher overclock I could really imagine everything he wants it to do, could be accomplished with ease. Ideally, grabbing a 3770k or even a 2600k/2700k would be beneficial. Especially since you can get a 2600k/2700k off of these forums for like $250 (I'm talking about binned ones too). However, in all honesty, I don't think it's necessary. He seems to be able to do what he needs to do now, without much of a problem. A few simple upgrades could really improve the performance out of his current rig by leaps and bounds.

Telling somebody that they should upgrade their cards, when it is not needed is also bad advice. A 570 is basically a 580. Both are still powerful cards, especially after a bios flash and some nice overclocking. His versions even have 2.5GB of memory, which is great. Adding a third isn't really all that expensive, and the scaling is pretty decent. Telling someone SLI is not worth the hassle, when having SLI isn't really a hassle at all is counter productive. 3-way 2.5GB GTX 570's are doing like 15.7k 3DMark11 scores stock. Overclocked could take them much further.

Lastly, to make all of your suggestions, but then not to be sure about what applications or programs he uses would benefit from anything you've recommended seems quite odd.

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To be entirely honest. I imagine if you upgraded to a nicer Z77 motherboard, like an ASRock Z77 Extreme6 or Gigabyte Z77X UD3H or UD4H (or whatever ASUS equivalent you wanted). Picked up 32GB of some 2133MHz memory. Went with a nice All-in-One water cooling solution; Corsair H100i/H110, Swiftech H220, NZXT Kraken x60. Overclocked that 2500k to 4.8GHz (possibly higher, 4.4 really isn't anything at all, might even be able to make 5.0GHz who knows) and lastly added a nice 500GB SSD for OS/Programs (Crucial M500 480GB). You will more than likely see a serious performance increase with your current rig, and to be honest it should be able to handle all the tasks you are looking for it to do without any issues.

What I see your current problems are; 1) You don't have that much memory for what you are trying to do 8GB in this instance isn't enough, the memory is standard 1600MHz memory so things will seem a lot more snappier @ 2133MHz. 2) You don't have an SSD, without an SSD a mechanical harddrive starts to prove to be a bottleneck regardless of how fast everything else is trying to run. 3) 4.4GHz isn't really that much of an overclock to be honest. With proper cooling you can take Sandy to 5.0GHz all day long without breaking a sweat. When these 2500K's start to get in the 5.0/5.1/5.2GHz range their performance numbers increase drastically (just take a look at my Cinebench scores for an example)

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1) understood 2) understood

3) I can do 4.7 stable, 4.8 stable maybe, chip has seen 4.9 and >1.45 vcore but never found ultra stable settings above 4.7 (like 24 hrs prime etc)

would consider closed loop water for sure if you think my chip can actually do 5 ghz, I think ive got a 4.8 limited by vcore, might have degraded it a bit with my lets try every combination of settings approach to tweaking in BIOS. will water be so much better at cooling than air that your vcore drops significantly to maintain a given clock?

and I definitely don't need a 500GB SSD, I can fit everything on 256 no sweat, and use my current HDD for backup/storage.
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