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Hi guys,

New SFF build, this time I am willing to try another case than the SG05 -> Lian-Li PC-Q03a (silver)


Most concern is the heat as this case has no cooling at all.
I am not going to overclock anything, so hopefully the system won't get too hot.
No gaming, only some movie watching and photo editing. Video editing as a plus.

I need to have wifi and bluetooth available, as long as a DVD burner.

What do you think of the following:

Case: Lian-Li PC-Q03
PSU: (1)300W SFX (2)300W ATX (max length 160mm)
Mobo: (1)GIGABYTE GA-H77N-WIFI (2)MSI Z77IA-E53
CPU: Ivy i5 3570
Cooler: stock
RAM: 2x 4GB DDR3 Corsair Vengeance lp
GPU: (1)GTX 650 (2)7750 (max length 180mm)
SSD: 120GB 2.5" (Win7 home + programs)
HDD: 1TB 2.5" (data)
DVD R/W: Samsung SN-208DB Slim
Monitor: Asus MX279H 27" (black/silver)


As you can see, I am hesitating on several things:
SFX PSU for extra room inside the case and a better air flow or ATX PSU for a bigger fan and more hot air exhaust?

Is it worth putting 20$ more for the MSI mobo that has bluetooth built in or take the Gigabyte one and add a bluetooth USB key?

Will the 7750 (55W) make noticeably less heat than the GTX650(64W)?

Any other things to change?

Thanx,
BaK
Edited by BaK2BaK - 5/22/13 at 1:47pm
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I would absolutely go for regular ATX PSU with a fan that helps quietly with the case airflow.
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Why go with z77 and a locked CPU? You could get the H77N-WIFI(has BT 4.0 and wifi) from Gigabyte, which is the same as the z77 you listed except for the chipset.
Also I agree with WiSK the ATX psu should help.
ps; one benefit I see from the MSI board is the mSata slot, which would allow you to replace the 2.5 SSD with an mSata one to save some space from cable clutter.
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My bad, your totally right. Must have been a bad copy/paste... first post corrected with the right Gigabyte mobo.
Plus I hadn't notice bluetooth was also provided, thanx!

Nice tip for the mSata slot, though I fear there is not enough room at the top of the case for one:

There is also the ODD tray that could interfere.
I could wait till I get the case and check before ordering the drive though.

I am trying to find the right PSU, hesitating between the following two:
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Discussion here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1393482/atx-psu-for-sff-case
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My bad, your totally right. Must have been a bad copy/paste... first post corrected with the right Gigabyte mobo.
Plus I hadn't notice bluetooth was also provided, thanx!

Nice tip for the mSata slot, though I fear there is not enough room at the top of the case for one:

There is also the ODD tray that could interfere.
I could wait till I get the case and check before ordering the drive though.

I am trying to find the right PSU, hesitating between the following two:
- Super Flower Gold Green 350W
- Seasonic G360 360W

Discussion here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1393482/atx-psu-for-sff-case
You are of course welcomed to add comments there! smile.gif
About the mSata, it shouldn't matter. The mSata SSD is exactly the size of a full height m-pcie wireless card. It sits right on the board with no cables or anything, it simply slots right in like a wireless card would.

edit: This is a different board, but the look would be the same (except for the place on-board)
Edited by Black5Lion - 5/22/13 at 3:51pm
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Here is where the mSata port is on the MSI Z77IA-E53:


At first, with all the components on the mobo next to it, I was thinking the mSata SSD would have to be fixed on top/outside the mobo.
But now that I look at it carefully, the pin 'separator' on the mSata port seems to be pointing downward. Which must indicate that the mSata SSD will overlay the mobo an so not taking any extra space on top of it:


Anyone could validate this?
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Here is where the mSata port is on the MSI Z77IA-E53:


At first, with all the components on the mobo next to it, I was thinking the mSata SSD would have to be fixed on top/outside the mobo.
But now that I look at it carefully, the pin 'separator' on the mSata port seems to be pointing downward. Which must indicate that the mSata SSD will overlay the mobo an so not taking any extra space on top of it:


Anyone could validate this?

An easy validation I think of would be: It well go downwards into the mobo, since like wifi card it is held down by a screw and you can see where the screw goes on the mobo. The screw hole is right above the CPU heatsink screw point.
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Yep, confirmed by the screw position!
Also found that pic where we see the mSata port more clearly:


Thanx Black5Lion, that was a good idea to save space, until I recall why I didn't choose a mSata SDD for my rig... speed!

The following review states that it is limited to 3Gb/s:
I will keep that option as a plan B, only if there's no room to fit two 2.5" drives. But I am sure I can velcro them somewhere.

Still no input about the two PSUs I have selected...
Will one with constant fan speed be better than one with varying speed?
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Yep, confirmed by the screw position!
Also found that pic where we see the mSata port more clearly:


Thanx Black5Lion, that was a good idea to save space, until I recall why I didn't choose a mSata SDD for my rig... speed!

The following review states that it is limited to 3Gb/s:
I will keep that option as a plan B, only if there's no room to fit two 2.5" drives. But I am sure I can velcro them somewhere.

Still no input about the two PSUs I have selected...
Will one with constant fan speed be better than one with varying speed?

No problem wink.gif
I see no problem with 3gb/s SSDs for windows and programs, I'm using my M4 on sata2 and it's really fast. Seriously all sata3 would give you is like 3-5secs of difference. For me at least, SSDs are more about access time than transfer speed. But as long as you're happy with sata3 none has the right to oppose you wink.gif

I can't really comment on the PSUs, because I haven't tried/read a review about either, and I don't like googling a reviewing and telling you "It's good, because etc." without much to support it.

ps; you could always go extreme and strip the 2 SSDs from their casings and throw them is some custom casing together then double-side tape them to the case smile.gif -or just double-side tape them stacked-
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ps; you could always go extreme and strip the 2 SSDs from their casings and throw them is some custom casing together then double-side tape them to the case smile.gif -or just double-side tape them stacked-
Heh I don't think I will have to do that!
From what I see, there is 70mm free between the PSU and the front of the case. And as there is no componant under the ODD tray, that should let me velcro the drives cage there.
Plus that will free the holes on the bottom of the case to let more air in.

Talking about air, the PSU will suck air out of the case so it will be good that the CPU fan blows in the same direction.
From what I remember, Intel fans are blowing down towards the heatsink, which is the opposite direction... frown.gif

Checking right now if there an aftermarket cooler, not higher than 60mm, that blows air up.
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