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You guys.... I can use a CLI... However, I like my youtube, steam, mainly I want a desktop not a text promp. Nothing wrong with a text promp, it just doesn't run some of the programs I want running.

Mainly, I want a desktop now with a full fledged xorg server (or xorg like server). CLI is fun and dandy, just not exactly what I want to spend huge amounts of time on.

Aye. I didn't mean you have a phobia against the command line. It's just when running linux servers, administrators don't install Xorg so everything has to be run from the command line. So I was just commenting on the "nothing but CLI" bit of your post rather than having a dig at your ability to use text based interfaces smile.gif ie us server administrators still live in the "dark ages" where we run nothing but the command line do so out of choice.
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Aye. I didn't mean you have a phobia against the command line. It's just when running linux servers, administrators don't install Xorg so everything has to be run from the command line. So I was just commenting on the "nothing but CLI" bit of your post rather than having a dig at your ability to use text based interfaces smile.gif ie us server administrators still live in the "dark ages" where we run nothing but the command line do so out of choice.

^And watch videos in ASCII art mode from the CLI? biggrin.gif
     
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^And watch videos in ASCII art mode from the CLI? biggrin.gif

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Never underestimate the framebuffer. thumb.gif
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Aye. I didn't mean you have a phobia against the command line. It's just when running linux servers, administrators don't install Xorg so everything has to be run from the command line. So I was just commenting on the "nothing but CLI" bit of your post rather than having a dig at your ability to use text based interfaces smile.gif ie us server administrators still live in the "dark ages" where we run nothing but the command line do so out of choice.

I know, it was more towards the edcuated vs non-educated but you also had a hand in it too. Though you did say admins vs desktop users, so it was really a general poke at the common mentality of CLI being better. While I agree, many tasks are done much faster you can't really do some things in a CLI environment. =) In which case, a desktop is kind of a requirement. I couldn't imagine presentations done in CLI, that would be horrible!
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I know, it was more towards the edcuated vs non-educated but you also had a hand in it too. Though you did say admins vs desktop users, so it was really a general poke at the common mentality of CLI being better. While I agree, many tasks are done much faster you can't really do some things in a CLI environment. =) In which case, a desktop is kind of a requirement. I couldn't imagine presentations done in CLI, that would be horrible!

To be honest, I don't think presentations are a particularly great way of conveying information anyway. But that's a whole other tangent. laugher.gif
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A desktop can be configured entirely by CLI and still do all those multimedia things. Often wizard configs just end up being buggy and make things harder to troubleshoot because you can't see what it's doing behind the scenes.
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To be honest, I don't think presentations are a particularly great way of conveying information anyway. But that's a whole other tangent. laugher.gif

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A desktop can be configured entirely by CLI and still do all those multimedia things. Often wizard configs just end up being buggy and make things harder to troubleshoot because you can't see what it's doing behind the scenes.

It can, that wasn't the point. My point was, you can't do things in CLI that you now require a desktop for these days. While you could implement a CLI environment to do such things, it's a hassle. We used to have 3D games that would run off DOS in command prompts, doesn't mean it was a very good way of doing so. You can use CLI text editors for word processing, again not a very nice way of doing so. Especially once you get into multi-tasking, research, and other things when writing articles/papers.

CLI is extremely powerful but it isn't always the best option for using a desktop. Some of us have multiple things open, all the time. While keyboard commands for switching programs are wonderful, they can also be just as tedious.
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Haha.
It can, that wasn't the point. My point was, you can't do things in CLI that you now require a desktop for these days.

What was the point of stating something pretty obvious?

I don't think anyone here was suggesting running desktop apps from the console.
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What was the point of stating something pretty obvious?

I don't think anyone here was suggesting running desktop apps from the console.

"A desktop can be configured entirely by CLI and still do all those multimedia things." -- Took that wrong then, I've known some hardcore people who will do multimedia things in TTY. You can run mplayer, music applications, all in tty without X. Didn't know if you were referring to being that pro-active for minimal or not, sometimes it's hard to tell in the Linux world.
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To be fair, running a gui doesn't enhance the music. It's not like ascii vs bitmap output for videos. A console mp3 player is a purely aesthetic choice.
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