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Main question: why Hurd when there's Linux?
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"A desktop can be configured entirely by CLI and still do all those multimedia things." -- Took that wrong then, I've known some hardcore people who will do multimedia things in TTY. You can run mplayer, music applications, all in tty without X. Didn't know if you were referring to being that pro-active for minimal or not, sometimes it's hard to tell in the Linux world.

CLI is a broad term, because it covers both the console and a terminal window running in X.

Without reading anything about Hurd, I'm sure it can run Xorg. If it can't, then I agree with you, why would you bother with it as a general purpose OS?
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Originally Posted by adridu59 View Post

Main question: why Hurd when there's Linux?

to paraphrase history, Hurd is Richard Stallman's baby and was the original kernel to GNU (what many of us broadly refer to as Linux) before Linus Torvalds wrote Linux (ie the current kernel).

As for why run Hurd, architecturally it's very different. And those differences do bring some benefits, though not without their problems as will. But in Hurd's current state, it's pretty much just a toy compared to Linux.
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CLI is a broad term, because it covers both the console and a terminal window running in X.

Without reading anything about Hurd, I'm sure it can run Xorg. If it can't, then I agree with you, why would you bother with it as a general purpose OS?

Well that's my question! The last time I read up on it, it was purely terminal based. I'm curious to see if they have had any gp desktop use. =P So that might shed some more light onto why I took that comment wrong.
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Its just a kernel... Which has little too do with shells or display system. You can run x on windows even to a limited amount. The kernel really doesn't determine if it's a GUI/CLI OS
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As for why run Hurd, architecturally it's very different. And those differences do bring some benefits, though not without their problems as will. But in Hurd's current state, it's pretty much just a toy compared to Linux.

Then why didn't they just left out this one and focused on contributing to Linux? Or is Hurd considered as the future of Linux?

Or is that just for the sake of having their in-house kernel.
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post #27 of 49
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Then why didn't they just left out this one and focused on contributing to Linux? Or is Hurd considered as the future of Linux?

Or is that just for the sake of having their in-house kernel.

Have a read about Richard Stallman and his Philosophies.

Then you may understand.
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As for why run Hurd, architecturally it's very different. And those differences do bring some benefits, though not without their problems as will. But in Hurd's current state, it's pretty much just a toy compared to Linux.

Then why didn't they just left out this one and focused on contributing to Linux? Or is Hurd considered as the future of Linux?

Or is that just for the sake of having their in-house kernel.

Because it's open source, thing don't work that way. Everyone has a different view of where they want it to be in 5, 10 years. People want to see the hurd played out. It has some different advantages as do other microkernels that some people want to develop. Beyond reading about stallman you should do some reading on kernel design
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Its just a kernel... Which has little too do with shells or display system. You can run x on windows even to a limited amount. The kernel really doesn't determine if it's a GUI/CLI OS

In all fairness, the kernel has everything to do with the display system. If the support for the display system isn't in kernel, the software won't build or run. Meaning you don't have a graphical desktop (no GUI). Last time I checked, it was very basic in what it supported. It seems as if they have XFCE running, just to what extent? Also, considering it's an experimental kernel you don't know how programs are going to build against it's subsystems. Which if you want a GUI, it has to play nice with OGL (example). If OGL "works" but not 100%, the programs could very well reflect that. Causing it to either build and crash, or not to build at all.

The kernel is very much related to a GUI.

Err- i realize that is hw support mostly, which is the main issue. However they still need to get the kernel to com with other api stuff. Sorry cooking, stuff is the best i got atm.
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Have a read about Richard Stallman and his Philosophies.

Then you may understand.

Yea I know about Stallman but I thought since Linux Kernel is FOSS already...
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