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Originally Posted by frickfrock99 View Post

Mmmmf, in a way.

Native languages aren't actually "learned". Depending on what region/culture you've grown up in, your language is already hard wired in your head by your genetics/envrioment.

All you do during childhood is further unlock it and learn to use it. Just like walking or learning to eat.

Lolwut? Walking is learned, not unlocked, as are eating and talking.

Here is proof of why you are horribly wrong and need to understand the difference between nature and nurture.

I can't find the large article on this boy but he still can't talk, can't walk on two legs, has great difficulty dressing and is still wild in many ways.

These kids would also like to say hello to your theory and tear it apart.
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Originally Posted by Kaldari View Post

You're combining nature and nurture into one entity. Absolutely no "language is already hard wired in your head by your genetics." This is why adopted babies that are raised in a different country learn and speak the language perfectly with the native accent. I'm calling bro-science.

Do I spy someone who's watched the interviews of Sapolsky and Mate?
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Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post

Seriously? You actually believe that? Can you back that up?

He can't back it up because it's as scientific as saying the world is flat because I said so.
Edited by Liranan - 5/22/13 at 10:55pm
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Do I spy someone who's watched the interviews of Sapolsky and Mate?

No, but I'll be sure to watch them now. I've just always been interested in the human experience, neurology, and how world views form. Nature vs nurture inevitably comes up eventually.
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post #193 of 333
Wait, how else is people pronouncing it?
I never heard anyone pronounce it anything but "jig" or G.I.F. each letter spelled out.
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I'll continue pronouncing it with a hard g because:
a.) it sounds better to me
b.) everyone knows what i mean
c.) it comes natural at this point and i honestly don't think it's worth the effort to "retrain my brain" so to speak for something as insubstantial as this.
I'm honestly a little surprised that people argue about this at all. Who cares? This is a tuh-may-toh vs. tuh-mah-toh argument if I've ever seen one.
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in my head it was and always will be pronounced Gif
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HI I am Maniks Read, please describe about GIF or Jif.
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Gi > Gif > Gift
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post #198 of 333
So besides the fact that we are still using GIFs, can someone please tell me how a file format creator's preferred incorrect pronunciation of his file format abbreviation is important?
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Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post

There are at least four reasons languages change. One is the addition of new words brought in by immigrants; this can be either bad or good. New technology requires new words; this is generally good. Young people create their own language (or mangle the existing language) to rebel against and set themselves apart the older generations; this usually goes horribly wrong.

The most insidious change in languages, however, comes from people who are too lazy to correctly pronounce words, too ignorant to know how to correctly pronounce words, and/or just don't care about the impression their mispronunciations, improper grammar, etc. makes on other people.

You are once again assigning value to something that has none, there is nothing about a languages current vocabulary that makes it better then future iterations. The changes to language that youth indulge in aren't bad, and the changes they implement that carry through aren't damaging to the language. I would argue the way the youth of each generation warp and change a language is probably a vital feature that keeps a language relevant to a changing environment, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a behavior that we've evolved to conduct.

And as for the shortening or mispronunciations... again you assign negative values to something that isn't a negative feature. Current american english is massively different then it was 500 years ago and many of those changes are words being shortened and "mispronounced". By your reasoning ye olde english is somehow superior to current.

The way you assign judgement values, and use loaded words like "insidious" tells me that you think language is somehow sacrosanct and that changes to it are bad, something patently untrue. Middle school teachers have probably been rolling in their graves for a million years at each new generations bastardization of our holy mother tongue, but that hasn't stopped (or negatively impacted) us yet.

People who think a language has any sort of inherent truth or rightness are wrong.
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Okay, perhaps I'm wrong and English isn't my native language, but I can't stop myself from asking this:
Coming from a purely logical point of view, being as objective as possible, if you take into consideration that the letter G is spelled /dʒ/, but the sound is actually /g/, shouldn't we pronounce it /gif/ unless treated like an abbreviation, i.e. G.I.F.?

I'm not sure as to when the soft G is used, for all I know it isn't especially before "i" and "e" because there are words like get; give; girth etc.

And I'd rather call it gif unless I have to spell it out letter by letter.

Drifting off a bit, but for example, do you call executable files "ee-ex-eee" somehow merged together as a word, considering it's a bastardization for executable?
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