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Hello

Since the Xbox One was just announced with also Blu-ray, all consoles now have Blu-ray Wii U, Playstation 4 and Xbox One so now I should get a Blu-ray drive to make backups of course wink.gif

What is the best Blu-Ray reader/writer out that? Has to support writing to CDs (all varients), DVDs, (all varients) and of course Blu-ray (all varients).

Currently my DVD writer is hooked up to IDE which I perfer but I believe they only make them SATA now right?
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I have a Pioneer BDR-208DBK that I use for ripping. Works really well. Doesn't have M Disc support or BDXL support though.

The LG drives will probably be the most feature rich.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=27-136-250&IsVirtualParent=1

The Lite-On IHBS drives are always solid options.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106369

The ASUS drives should be solid options as well.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135302
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135252
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LG BD-Burners are extremely "tough", as in impossible to kill. Helping a friend with a loop, there was a leak between the Swiftech Maelstrom Dual-5.25 Bay Res' G1/4 port and the Bitspower compression fitting attached to it (using Acrylic for the G1/4 Ports is a bad idea, I don't know why they do that?). Of course, this was in the bays directly above the LG Blu-Ray Burner, and there was a significant amount of water spilt, probably close to 2/3-3/4's of a cup, if not more. Every drop of it hit the BD-Burner first, getting in everything including some leaking into the tray via the small cracks around the faceplate, getting onto the PCB via rear SATA connectors, and so forth.
Oh, and this wasn't just water, it was a mixture of Distilled Water and Mayhems Gigabyte Orange concentrate (dye), two bottles of the dye!

Against my advice, he turned it on an hour later once the loop was finished, and the BD-Burner hasn't even hiccuped once. I am impressed! I have always loved LG for their TV's (own a 46" LED-LCD, 42" LCD, 55" LED-LCD with local dimming, and a 70" RGB-LED back lit LCD TV with full local dimming), and prior to Android's breakaway success in the mobile market, I loved LG phones (now, I have been spoiled by my OG Droid by Motorola, and my Galaxy Nexus by Samsung as well as the Galaxy Note II I got for my girlfriend after her LG phone finally died; newer Motorola phones are way too locked down and stuffed with bloat, so for me, Samsung is the way to go).
I was glad to see the sturdiness of the BD-Burner, as I need one myself to use for normal things like Playback, as well as burning BD-XL and BD-RAM disc's with "critical information" backups of my Master's Thesis and literally gigabytes of research amongst other things, and keeping them in one of my gun safes (have a 28-longarm + 48-handgun cabinet safe with 4 shelves above the rifle rack, two drawers below it, and the safe has electronic biometric locks as well as 3 mechanical override locks, a dual-pane glass relocker, and is heat resistant for up to 850F for 12hr before the internal temps exceed 115F; I bought it because, while fine for regular bolt guns and shotguns, I didn't want to keep my Class 3 firearms (Short-Barrel Rifles, Select-Fire Rifles/SMG's/pistols, suppressed firearms, and so forth) in a safe that I didn't feel was strong enough to deter someone with a modicum of skill or just a really big thermal lance).

I have looked at Asus, Plextor, Lite-On, LG, Panasonic, Samsung, and others, but it always felt like I hadto ggive one thing up to get another, or spend $150+ which is crazy for what is a dying medium...

Plus, when you look at external drives, well, you basically get less for more, kinda the exact opposite of what I like. Compound that with the seemingly higher failure rate, poor average burning performance, and a host of other complaints, and I wasn't about to spend $150-200 on a mediocre drive.

The issue is that I have a case which, while designed for liquid cooling, was not designed for liquid cooling AND a ton of hard drives. Since I lost one of the two drive cages to fit the bottom UT60 240 radiator, I was left with 3x3.5" drive sleds, and the 4 5.25" bays. However, once you factor in: the top bay being halfway blocked by the top 420 radiator and it's P-P fans leaving room for a fan controller only (which is what's in the bay), an XSPC single bay reservoir with the MCP35X2 pumps attached directly via Bitspower 90deg single-rotary adapter and rotary male-male coupler that leaves the pump hanging down into the bay below (and essentially taking up the whole bay as the dual pump has the MCP35X2 heatsink attached via Fujipoly thermal tape, and a single 80x15mm fan attached to the heatsink), I'm only really left with a single 5.25" Bay.
So far, I've been using a Bytecc Single-5.25 Bay Adapter for 1x Slim ODD + 1x3.5"-or-2x2.5" HDD/SSD, 2x Slim ODD's, 2x 3.5" HDD, 1x3.5" + 2x 2.5", or 4x 2.5" drives. I was getting ready to order a Silverstone slim ODD bay adapter that's pretty much the same thing except that it would only allow for the use of slot-load slim ODD's. I already have 13 different slim DVD-R/W drives (mostly LG/Hitachi, and Samsung) which are a mix of new, "used" but never actually used pulled from Dell OptiPlex SFF PCs, and some from laptops. I saw the Bytecc bracket at Micro Center, familiar with it from Newegg, and I managed to get it for just $9 because it was missing a pair of screws (retail price is $24), and I saved way more by being able to use a slim ODD I already had rather than spending a large chunk of change on a new one.
With that, I was able to add a Slim DVD-R/W burner (with Lightscribe and support for all DVD formats including DVD-RAM, and a max burning speed of 28x DVD/52x CD), and fit one of my hard drives directly below it. While not exactly hotswap, it actually makes this HDD the easiest to get to, and I can swap drives in less than 30sec as the bracket is tight enough to not need screws for the HDD.

Still, as nice as it is, I know that I have room for a 3-4x 3.5" HDD Cage as the pumps are far back enough to allow for a 3.5" HDD to sit in the bay with them, and have about 1 1/4" of extra space.
This would let me finally have, well, most of my drives inside the PC.

So I have a choice, basically. Two options:
1 - Leave it how it is, get a 5-8x external drive enclosure with DAS and NAS functionality (I want to have the extra onboard processing power that comes with NAS units, and the speed of a direct eSATA 600MBs connection), and mount either a full size BD-Burner in the bay holding the slim on currently, or spend the money for a slim BD-Burner and have a pair of optical drives in a single slot (allowing direct copy of discs/cloning, and so forth)...
2 - Get a full size BD-Burner, an external 5.25" enclosure, and have a BD drive that I can attach only as necessary, which can be used across computers (would be nice for having BD playback on laptop), preferably one that has both USB 3.0 & 2.0, as well as eSATA; it would preferably either be white or made of a matte plastic or (ideally) aluminum, which could be painted white (my entire build is White&Black themed, even down to the external cables, all of which I'm in the middle of sleeving, some in black and others in light grey). I would then be able to get a 3-/4-into-2 bay converter and have room for a max of 6-7x 3.5" drives + 6-8x 2.5" drives (I have that many places at least to mount SSDs with double sided tape or, my preference, industrial strength velcro).

I have been researching and watching prices for a while now, and I have to say, the LG, Pioneer, Lite-On, and Plextor drives seem to be the absolute best (possibly Samsung). I have 2/ea Lite-On/Plextor burners that are all at least 6-7yrs old and they are still some of the most accurate burners I have, with 2 having never had a single error, and the others having only had 1 each (between 300 and 1200 disc's burned, each).

TL;DR VERSION


Consider external, but get a good internal model and a separate external enclosure to get better parts for less money.
   
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Originally Posted by nleksan View Post

LG BD-Burners are extremely "tough", as in impossible to kill. Helping a friend with a loop, there was a leak between the Swiftech Maelstrom Dual-5.25 Bay Res' G1/4 port and the Bitspower compression fitting attached to it (using Acrylic for the G1/4 Ports is a bad idea, I don't know why they do that?). Of course, this was in the bays directly above the LG Blu-Ray Burner, and there was a significant amount of water spilt, probably close to 2/3-3/4's of a cup, if not more. Every drop of it hit the BD-Burner first, getting in everything including some leaking into the tray via the small cracks around the faceplate, getting onto the PCB via rear SATA connectors, and so forth.
Oh, and this wasn't just water, it was a mixture of Distilled Water and Mayhems Gigabyte Orange concentrate (dye), two bottles of the dye!

Against my advice, he turned it on an hour later once the loop was finished, and the BD-Burner hasn't even hiccuped once. I am impressed! I have always loved LG for their TV's (own a 46" LED-LCD, 42" LCD, 55" LED-LCD with local dimming, and a 70" RGB-LED back lit LCD TV with full local dimming), and prior to Android's breakaway success in the mobile market, I loved LG phones (now, I have been spoiled by my OG Droid by Motorola, and my Galaxy Nexus by Samsung as well as the Galaxy Note II I got for my girlfriend after her LG phone finally died; newer Motorola phones are way too locked down and stuffed with bloat, so for me, Samsung is the way to go).
I was glad to see the sturdiness of the BD-Burner, as I need one myself to use for normal things like Playback, as well as burning BD-XL and BD-RAM disc's with "critical information" backups of my Master's Thesis and literally gigabytes of research amongst other things, and keeping them in one of my gun safes (have a 28-longarm + 48-handgun cabinet safe with 4 shelves above the rifle rack, two drawers below it, and the safe has electronic biometric locks as well as 3 mechanical override locks, a dual-pane glass relocker, and is heat resistant for up to 850F for 12hr before the internal temps exceed 115F; I bought it because, while fine for regular bolt guns and shotguns, I didn't want to keep my Class 3 firearms (Short-Barrel Rifles, Select-Fire Rifles/SMG's/pistols, suppressed firearms, and so forth) in a safe that I didn't feel was strong enough to deter someone with a modicum of skill or just a really big thermal lance).

I have looked at Asus, Plextor, Lite-On, LG, Panasonic, Samsung, and others, but it always felt like I hadto ggive one thing up to get another, or spend $150+ which is crazy for what is a dying medium...

Plus, when you look at external drives, well, you basically get less for more, kinda the exact opposite of what I like. Compound that with the seemingly higher failure rate, poor average burning performance, and a host of other complaints, and I wasn't about to spend $150-200 on a mediocre drive.

The issue is that I have a case which, while designed for liquid cooling, was not designed for liquid cooling AND a ton of hard drives. Since I lost one of the two drive cages to fit the bottom UT60 240 radiator, I was left with 3x3.5" drive sleds, and the 4 5.25" bays. However, once you factor in: the top bay being halfway blocked by the top 420 radiator and it's P-P fans leaving room for a fan controller only (which is what's in the bay), an XSPC single bay reservoir with the MCP35X2 pumps attached directly via Bitspower 90deg single-rotary adapter and rotary male-male coupler that leaves the pump hanging down into the bay below (and essentially taking up the whole bay as the dual pump has the MCP35X2 heatsink attached via Fujipoly thermal tape, and a single 80x15mm fan attached to the heatsink), I'm only really left with a single 5.25" Bay.
So far, I've been using a Bytecc Single-5.25 Bay Adapter for 1x Slim ODD + 1x3.5"-or-2x2.5" HDD/SSD, 2x Slim ODD's, 2x 3.5" HDD, 1x3.5" + 2x 2.5", or 4x 2.5" drives. I was getting ready to order a Silverstone slim ODD bay adapter that's pretty much the same thing except that it would only allow for the use of slot-load slim ODD's. I already have 13 different slim DVD-R/W drives (mostly LG/Hitachi, and Samsung) which are a mix of new, "used" but never actually used pulled from Dell OptiPlex SFF PCs, and some from laptops. I saw the Bytecc bracket at Micro Center, familiar with it from Newegg, and I managed to get it for just $9 because it was missing a pair of screws (retail price is $24), and I saved way more by being able to use a slim ODD I already had rather than spending a large chunk of change on a new one.
With that, I was able to add a Slim DVD-R/W burner (with Lightscribe and support for all DVD formats including DVD-RAM, and a max burning speed of 28x DVD/52x CD), and fit one of my hard drives directly below it. While not exactly hotswap, it actually makes this HDD the easiest to get to, and I can swap drives in less than 30sec as the bracket is tight enough to not need screws for the HDD.

Still, as nice as it is, I know that I have room for a 3-4x 3.5" HDD Cage as the pumps are far back enough to allow for a 3.5" HDD to sit in the bay with them, and have about 1 1/4" of extra space.
This would let me finally have, well, most of my drives inside the PC.

So I have a choice, basically. Two options:
1 - Leave it how it is, get a 5-8x external drive enclosure with DAS and NAS functionality (I want to have the extra onboard processing power that comes with NAS units, and the speed of a direct eSATA 600MBs connection), and mount either a full size BD-Burner in the bay holding the slim on currently, or spend the money for a slim BD-Burner and have a pair of optical drives in a single slot (allowing direct copy of discs/cloning, and so forth)...
2 - Get a full size BD-Burner, an external 5.25" enclosure, and have a BD drive that I can attach only as necessary, which can be used across computers (would be nice for having BD playback on laptop), preferably one that has both USB 3.0 & 2.0, as well as eSATA; it would preferably either be white or made of a matte plastic or (ideally) aluminum, which could be painted white (my entire build is White&Black themed, even down to the external cables, all of which I'm in the middle of sleeving, some in black and others in light grey). I would then be able to get a 3-/4-into-2 bay converter and have room for a max of 6-7x 3.5" drives + 6-8x 2.5" drives (I have that many places at least to mount SSDs with double sided tape or, my preference, industrial strength velcro).

I have been researching and watching prices for a while now, and I have to say, the LG, Pioneer, Lite-On, and Plextor drives seem to be the absolute best (possibly Samsung). I have 2/ea Lite-On/Plextor burners that are all at least 6-7yrs old and they are still some of the most accurate burners I have, with 2 having never had a single error, and the others having only had 1 each (between 300 and 1200 disc's burned, each).

TL;DR VERSION


Consider external, but get a good internal model and a separate external enclosure to get better parts for less money.
Holy ******* long ass post!!! WOW! How much did that take you to write?!?!?!

And bottom line: The only advice you provided that intrests me is that I should get a internal with a external enclosure. Also you have experience with LG but provide no model number.
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Unfortunately, the sticker with the model number was the (only) casualty of the liquid spill, so I honestly don't know which one it is redface.gif

I am ALMOST sure it's this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136264

(Looks like prices on the Slim ones have gone down... yay!)
   
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I was looking into getting a BRwriter myself, for backing up my video projects, but it turns out getting more harddrives would be cheaper.


check this out for example:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Memorex+-+15-Pack+6x+BD-R+Disc+Spindle/1634132.p?id=1218275489674&skuId=1634132

15 blank discs with 25gb capacity each = 375gb for $49

a new 500gb hdd also costs around $49
so in the long run it would be more costly for me to go blueray, im just gonna grab a couple more 1tb drives.
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Rabasu i7-3770K
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Rabasu FX6100
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770K ECS H77H2-M3 MSI RX 580 Armor 8GB OC 2x8GB Kingston HyperX Blu 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate 1TB Seagate 1TB Sony DVDRW stock 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 x64 BenQ E2220 1080p Seasonic M12II Evo 620W Coolermaster Elite 430 
Mouse
A4tech X7 710BH 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX 6100 4.0 Ghz 6-core Asus M5A78L-MLX3 AM3+ Powercolor HD7730 1GB DDR5 16GB (2x8GB) Corsair Vengeance LP 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate 1TB Seagate 1TB Sony DVDRW CoolerMaster Hyper212+ with 2x140mm Deepcool UF140 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 x64 / Mint x64 BenQ E2220 1080p Aerocool Strike-X 500watts CoolerMaster Elite 430 
Mouse
A4tech X7 710BH 
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A8 7410 2.5Ghz Radeon R5 M335 2GB 4GB DDR3L 1 TB HDD 
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