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post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by jeffro37 
Hey Reefa! You're right where i'm at. I live in St. Johns county. thumb.gif


What are some good (cheaper 2133 ram right now?)

I'm just south of Mandarin, across the Julington Creek. There are a few guys here on OCN from our area. Turns out one guy was just a couple of blocks down from me...on the same street even!

With respect to your question about ram...if you want an alternative to the Sniper heat spreaders from the link above, there are Ripjaws available which should be pretty much the same other than the spreaders.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231476

However, if you feel like taking a SMALL chance to save a few bucks, consider the following:

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=D3-4G1600S

These are $35 per stick, or $70 for two, less 15% off with discount code "HONOR15" thru the 27th. Add about $2-$3 for USPS First Class shipping and it comes to right around $62 for the pair.

These are Samsung chips, not HCH9, or HKY0 (the stuff from the low voltage modules), but instead are HCK0 based. Just another variation from Samsung and like I've said, mine have all clocked to 2400 CL10 on an X79, although it took a little more voltage (around 1.67v)

One thing to keep in mind about Superbiiz...if your order is over $100, then USPS is no longer an option and you have to go UPS. What that means is that if you order 3 or more, shipping will cost you closer to $8-$10, instead of under $3.
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by Baskt_Case View Post

Sure, sometimes the heatspreaders are a bit ridiculous,
Heatspreaders are always ridiculous on anything but Rambus RAM. Their only purpose is to fool you by either appealing to your desire for action-adventure or by hiding the fact that the chips underneath them are low grade garbage or are a lot slower than the advertised speed of the module.
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by larymoencurly View Post

Heatspreaders are always ridiculous on anything but Rambus RAM. Their only purpose is to fool you by either appealing to your desire for action-adventure or by hiding the fact that the chips underneath them are low grade garbage or are a lot slower than the advertised speed of the module.

I actually have a set of patriot viper 3s and they hit their stock settings at 1866 cs9 no problem. I run out of base clock before I run out of ram capacity.
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by Poisoner View Post

I actually have a set of patriot viper 3s and they hit their stock settings at 1866 cs9 no problem. I run out of base clock before I run out of ram capacity.
What are the speed ratings of their chips? I don't mean what the SPD says but what the writing on the chips says. Micron shows no 1866 MHz stuff faster than CS13.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by larymoencurly View Post

Heatspreaders are always ridiculous on anything but Rambus RAM. Their only purpose is to fool you by either appealing to your desire for action-adventure or by hiding the fact that the chips underneath them are low grade garbage or are a lot slower than the advertised speed of the module.

Perhaps you are looking at these modules from the wrong perspective.

It isn't that they are all "low-grade" garbage, and OF COURSE the chips under the spreaders are going to be rated a lot slower than the advertised speed on the modules' labels. The chips are produced in accordance with the JEDEC standards and those are what overclockers would call slow and programmed with slack timings, but they aren't "garbage". Think of them as the family sedan. One that needs to be tweaked a bit before it is ready to be taken to the dragstrip.

Most of the really good DDR3-2133 to DDR3-2666 Samsung based modules are actually made using HCH9 chips...a DDR3-1333 CL9 part. Rated slow...heck yeah, but is it a low grade garbage...heck no!

They are produced this way because they are mostly intended to go into the HPs and Dells of the world (hence the family sedan analogy) and they want to be sure that they run on this type of equipment. As you can see from the chart below, there are no record setters there.

Only thru binning of these parts do they end up on kits rated for 2666 and beyond.



Hynix is the same way...those Corsair Vengeance Extreme series modules, rated for DDR3-3000 are using Hynix MFR PBC memory ICs, which is a DDR3-1600 CL11 part (look at the bottom of the page linked below). Yet this "garbage" DDR3-1600 CL11 part that none of us would brag about if we were running it on our rig can be binned and enough of them found to create modules at the top of the speed ratings (for now, anyways).

http://www.hynix.com/products/computing/view.jsp?info.ramKind=19&info.serialNo=H5TQ4G63MFR&posMap=computingDDR3

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By the way, I would like to add that to a large extent it is our culture that has resulted in modules being covered with colorfull and exotic heat spreaders. The modding of PCs into art forms, with everyone using windowed cases and trying to color match everything in your rig is all part of that culture. If we were still all using old white boxes with no windows to show off the components then odds are that most ram would still be sold without the spreaders. It is our culture's demand for flashy that has contributed to this. There is no validity to the notion that the manufacturers do this to be secretive about the ICs being used. All it takes is for a competitor to purchase one kit and pull the spreaders and the secret is no more. It is all about marketing and product image...created to cater to our whims.
Edited by Reefa_Madness - 5/23/13 at 6:42am
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