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post #341 of 580
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Originally Posted by DawnBladeDN View Post

The 550-600 price is without the taxes.....

Yep, everytime I go to Canada, I pay the Canadian premium. You better off making a trip to the US, and buying these cards, and call them used at customs biggrin.gif
But, seriously, even Canada Computers is that expensive? I thought there were a bit reasonable the last time I visited?
post #342 of 580
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Yep, everytime I go to Canada, I pay the Canadian premium. You better off making a trip to the US, and buying these cards, and call them used at customs biggrin.gif
But, seriously, even Canada Computers is that expensive? I thought there were a bit reasonable the last time I visited?
Lol! XD
I don't use Canada computers
The best for Canada are
DirectCanada
NCIX
Amazon.ca
Newegg.ca
post #343 of 580
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Can you tell me why 20nm has a low chance? With tsmc saying 20nm is production ready by August (or sooner) and AMD saying VI is coming this year (a known 20nm process), can you explain why it has a low chance?

With sea islands being the 28nm refresh that never was, the idea of a 20nm 9970 is a definite possibility and maybe more so then 28nm refresh.

Production ready =/= high end GPU ready.

The 20nm process is a compromise between low power arm chip and hpc production. GPUs will need to tape out a long time before they can actually start selling. On top of that they'll most likely go through a few respins.

So in order to get a 20nm 9970 out this year AMD has to deal with the compromise process, the demand created by the newest customer on the block; apple, and the time constraints.

Take the RV740 (4770) for example. First chip on 40nm from AMD, was very small, easy to make. Taped out in Mid Q4 2008, started production in March 2009 and came out in the end of April 2009.

So at the moment when aren't even in a situation where big GPUs can start taping out on the new 20nm node let alone finish, and the last time AMD was on a new process with a really small GPU it took them at the very least 5 months from the end of the tape out process to launch. What makes you think a big 20nm 9970 is possible with all the demand for 20nm from apple etc. (less wafers for AMD) since it isn't even ready to tape out at this point? We're just 6 months away from the end of the year, not really enough time to go through all the steps for a big chip. Especially if they need some revisions which is likely on a new process.
 
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post #344 of 580
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Ummm what? AMD has never said anything about VI coming this year, let alone on 20nm. That was speculation by some guy in a forum over a year ago.

...wrong.

http://wccftech.com/amd-reportedly-launching-volcanic-islands-hd-8000-series-gpus-2013/

Rage3d did the interview, link/quote in the article.
     
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If AMD wanted to they could try and rush a paper launch but it might not be worth the risk
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Very Exciting! thumb.gif
if they end up being $500-600 each, i would buy 2 strait away, but 650? eeehhhhhhhhhh thinking.gif
post #347 of 580
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Production ready =/= high end GPU ready.

The 20nm process is a compromise between low power arm chip and hpc production. GPUs will need to tape out a long time before they can actually start selling. On top of that they'll most likely go through a few respins.

So in order to get a 20nm 9970 out this year AMD has to deal with the compromise process, the demand created by the newest customer on the block; apple, and the time constraints.

Take the RV740 (4770) for example. First chip on 40nm from AMD, was very small, easy to make. Taped out in Mid Q4 2008, started production in March 2009 and came out in the end of April 2009.

So at the moment when aren't even in a situation where big GPUs can start taping out on the new 20nm node let alone finish, and the last time AMD was on a new process with a really small GPU it took them at the very least 5 months from the end of the tape out process to launch. What makes you think a big 20nm 9970 is possible with all the demand for 20nm from apple etc. (less wafers for AMD) since it isn't even ready to tape out at this point? We're just 6 months away from the end of the year, not really enough time to go through all the steps for a big chip. Especially if they need some revisions which is likely on a new process.

No one said anything about big die. And tsmc is actually production ready now, with samples out now.

http://www.cadence.com/Community/blogs/ii/archive/2013/04/14/tsmc-2013-symposium-progress-in-20nm-16nm-finfet-and-3d-ic-technologies.aspx
So if the design is done (most likely is if they plan a release at the end of 2013) they will have test samples in their hands right now.

You really think AMD needs that much 20nm space for 9970s-9870s? Nothing compared to Apple. The amount they need is easily produced.
     
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Titan technically has core voltage control too. Nothing to see here I'm afraid...

I think he was suggesting that maybe it might not be unreasonable to expect a card released at $1000 to come with features that cards released at significantly lower price points don't have.

Sigh. I think I should stay away from the internet tomorrow. mad.gif
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Yep, everytime I go to Canada, I pay the Canadian premium. You better off making a trip to the US, and buying these cards, and call them used at customs biggrin.gif
But, seriously, even Canada Computers is that expensive? I thought there were a bit reasonable the last time I visited?

...call them used at [Canadian Customs] ? I see your point, but the CDN Customs folks I pass by very regularly weren't born yesterday biggrin.gif (though they still have a thing about your watch you wear, oddly enough)

...the Canada currency, rightfully or wrongfully, is considered a 'resource $', meaning that it swings a lot with inflation expectations, price of oil and gold etc...over the last few months, it has swung from 0.97 US to 1.03 US...sometimes it pays to shop in CDN (online or otherwise), but usually, the sheer size / discount potential of the US - which has an economy about ten times the size of Canada in terms of GDP - makes it a better deal

...sorry for the economics, now back to our regular programming smile.gif ....I'll buy 3 780ies IF:

a.) they have non-reference PCBs available options
b.) such boards are priced below US $ 750
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If AMD skips 28nm 8000, not only would I be very surprised, Nvidia would have 2013 all to itself. Skipping another year of 28nm, I don't think AMD would profit as well. But I do believe HD 9000 will come soon, really soon. It almost doesn't make sense to release HD 8000 in 28nm, if 20nm is so soon, besides having competing product already available.
    
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