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HD 9000 will come soon, really soon.
AMEN!
post #352 of 580
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...call them used at [Canadian Customs] ? I see your point, but the CDN Customs folks I pass by very regularly weren't born yesterday biggrin.gif (though they still have a thing about your watch you wear, oddly enough)

...the Canada currency, rightfully or wrongfully, is considered a 'resource $', meaning that it swings a lot with inflation expectations, price of oil and gold etc...over the last few months, it has swung from 0.97 US to 1.03 US...sometimes it pays to shop in CDN (online or otherwise), but usually, the sheer size / discount potential of the US - which has an economy about ten times the size of Canada in terms of GDP - makes it a better deal

...sorry for the economics, now back to our regular programming smile.gif ....I'll buy 3 780ies IF:

a.) they have non-reference PCBs available options
b.) such boards are priced below US $ 750

Dude, I used to live in Canada, you don't have to give me a lecture about currency economics wink.gif
post #353 of 580
So who's here will buy the 780 for $650 as soon as it comes out tomorrow?
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No one said anything about big die. And tsmc is actually production ready now, with samples out now.

http://www.cadence.com/Community/blogs/ii/archive/2013/04/14/tsmc-2013-symposium-progress-in-20nm-16nm-finfet-and-3d-ic-technologies.aspx
So if the design is done (most likely is if they plan a release at the end of 2013) they will have test samples in their hands right now.

You really think AMD needs that much 20nm space for 9970s-9870s? Nothing compared to Apple. The amount they need is easily produced.

So VI is coming out this year, that is the only thing confirmed by AMD. 28 or 20nm we don't know. But I believe, like someone above stated already, that it would be silly to release 28nm cards with 20nm process almost ready (if not already ready).
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Dude, I used to live in Canada, you don't have to give me a lecture about currency economics wink.gif
I just checked out CanadaComputers, turns out they do in-fact have cheaper prices than other shops. Thanks for letting me know of them smile.gif
post #356 of 580
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So who's here will buy the 780 for $650 as soon as it comes out tomorrow?
IMO $650 is very fair. 3% away from a Titan, for 350 less. Use that 350 to buy games (that's why we build gaming computers people! to play games!!) Although I will not be purchasing them tomorrow, I will like to when I begin my "Red Dawn" dream rig tongue.gif
post #357 of 580
Already committed, sold my 570 classified's earlier this month. Going SLI for 120hz
post #358 of 580
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No one said anything about big die. And tsmc is actually production ready now, with samples out now.

http://www.cadence.com/Community/blogs/ii/archive/2013/04/14/tsmc-2013-symposium-progress-in-20nm-16nm-finfet-and-3d-ic-technologies.aspx
So if the design is done (most likely is if they plan a release at the end of 2013) they will have test samples in their hands right now.

You really think AMD needs that much 20nm space for 9970s-9870s? Nothing compared to Apple. The amount they need is easily produced.

That link has no info on any samples as far as I saw, all it talks about is 20nm already passing risc production (this happened for 40nm ages before anything came out) and then some info about future processes. There's also a mention of 20nm being production ready but what it exactly means is a bit hard to know since it's talking about needed IP and so on.

And AMD doesn't produce 1 GPU type at a time, they'll be doing a whole series if they do something, that actually does need the wafers.

The point still stands, in order to get an extra stepping or two the 9970 would have to be taping out now an just because the process is production ready doesn't mean it's ready for high end GPUs (by big, I didn't mean fermi big, I meant normal AMD high end GPU big). Just see the 40nm process for example (yes it had some troubles but still) production started in Q4 2008-Q1 2009 and AMD's high end GPUs finally came out in September.

The rumors about VI being 20nm are from 8 months ago. The rumors from two separate and reliable sources (VR-Zone and sweclockers) saying it will be on 28nm are from less than a month ago.

And this is getting quite OT. Though I do frankly wish for a 28nm AMD chip sooner for price drops than a 20nm chip later. 780 could come down in price if they just refreshed the 7970.
 
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Production ready =/= high end GPU ready.

The 20nm process is a compromise between low power arm chip and hpc production. GPUs will need to tape out a long time before they can actually start selling. On top of that they'll most likely go through a few respins.

So in order to get a 20nm 9970 out this year AMD has to deal with the compromise process, the demand created by the newest customer on the block; apple, and the time constraints.

Take the RV740 (4770) for example. First chip on 40nm from AMD, was very small, easy to make. Taped out in Mid Q4 2008, started production in March 2009 and came out in the end of April 2009.

So at the moment when aren't even in a situation where big GPUs can start taping out on the new 20nm node let alone finish, and the last time AMD was on a new process with a really small GPU it took them at the very least 5 months from the end of the tape out process to launch. What makes you think a big 20nm 9970 is possible with all the demand for 20nm from apple etc. (less wafers for AMD) since it isn't even ready to tape out at this point? We're just 6 months away from the end of the year, not really enough time to go through all the steps for a big chip. Especially if they need some revisions which is likely on a new process.

I guess it is possible we could see a low-end gpu on 20nm before years end as a test run. Maybe?

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I think he was suggesting that maybe it might not be unreasonable to expect a card released at $1000 to come with features that cards released at significantly lower price points don't have.

Sigh. I think I should stay away from the internet tomorrow. mad.gif

Yeah, if you are getting this upset than you might need to take a break from the Internets for awhile. The only difference now compared to when 8800GTX/Ultra was released is that the 8800GTX/Ultra was released about the same time, so you could make an educated decision on which to buy.
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Already committed, sold my 570 classified's earlier this month. Going SLI for 120hz

How do you guys sell your old video cards? Like is there a place that people will buy them? Besides Ebay.
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