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I second the external hard drive over a raid1. and why not go with 8GB ram? I work in an office, and 4GB is starting not to cut it anymore. I would go with an i3 though. Personally I prefer laptops in the workplace though. Since you can take them with you, have wireless internet, virtually no clutter.

If the business is paying for it, there is nothing wrong with charging labor costs either on top of the hardware.
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Yup, i had 4gb in my buddy's office pc, he had no troubles tapping out the 4gb, he constantly leaves it on with many tab open at all times, he can tap out the 8gb that's in there.

Also he his records go back over a year, probably several. even with all his neat printer files too i, as well as windows it's self and bunch of other junk, i don't think it goes over 50 gb. i'd grab 2 256gb SSDs throw them in raid 1 and call it good for next 6.5 years. all as your runnning an i3, with an ASUS board, kingston ram and a well reviewed corsair power supply, it could easily last 10 years.

we use the same setup minus corsair PSUs at work and i have seen our customers bring in ten year old computers that we built for them all those years ago, and they will still use for basic office work and and checking email. I'v seen some even older still kicking along, old Pentium 1 machines, built like tanks.

we even had 1 machine that got stuck by lighting and the modem caught fire and burnt the asus mobo... that mobo still worked/s. I have a number of crazy stories like that for asus boards, they can take a lick and keep on ticking.

EDIT: don't forget the new motherboard doesn't have IDE.

what is IDE? what would i need it for?
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what is IDE? what would i need it for?

IDE is the connection used on drives before SATA it uses a big fat old ribbon cable

If you want backup I agree with the people saying get an external. RAID is for Redundancy not Backup it doesn't cover data loss if the device is stolen, catches fire, etc (that's said RAID is great just do external backups too). I wouldn't get green drives if the OS is to be on them as they are slow.
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I second the external hard drive over a raid1. and why not go with 8GB ram? I work in an office, and 4GB is starting not to cut it anymore. I would go with an i3 though. Personally I prefer laptops in the workplace though. Since you can take them with you, have wireless internet, virtually no clutter.

If the business is paying for it, there is nothing wrong with charging labor costs either on top of the hardware.

thanks for input, the reason I chose raid1 over external hd is that you would have to have it laying around all the time, and its just more cluster, and I know if its not always hooked up and programed to do backups every week or so he will eventually forget to do them.
He wanted a laptop, but since he is the type of guy that keeps everything till it dies I said it would be better to just do a build using the case he already has and when things get old just upgrade them. He does also have a laptop, but it isnt strictly for work although sometimes he does use it for work. Other reason I was against laptop they tend to die faster than a desktop, at least my laptops did, they didn't last over 3 years, his lasted like 6 or 7 years but calling that one slow was a compliment tongue.gif He is self employed through Remax so the company doesn't pay for anything, its all out of his pocket. I actually want to do it, if he pays me good if not, more experience for me wink.gif
I thinks im going to go for the i3 + the 8gb you guys recommended, still waiting one a couple of things to clear out..
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Ok time for the next question: I want to use the SSD just for OS and all his programs, so that he can just save all his work on the HDD. How do I go about setting this up? Does anyone know of a guide or anyone willing to help me set that up?
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IDE is the connection used on drives before SATA it uses a big fat old ribbon cable

If you want backup I agree with the people saying get an external. RAID is for Redundancy not Backup it doesn't cover data loss if the device is stolen, catches fire, etc (that's said RAID is great just do external backups too). I wouldn't get green drives if the OS is to be on them as they are slow.

ahh ok... good to know... since I will be getting him new HDDs that wont be a problem.... Ill put his OS and programs on a SSD so I`ll probably change from the WDblack to the WD green. As for the back up drives I checked how much Gb he has used on his current pc its 150gb so I will probably drop the 1tb and just get him 2 500gb. I guess I will also get him an external drive for extra backup just to make sure everythings is safe.... Like a guy once told me, in digital unless you have at least 2 or 3 copies you can count on it as beeing lost.... He told me once he shot a big wedding put pic on pc, pc died, memory cards were erased and he ended up withnot even one picture of the wedding axesmiley.png
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Ok time for the next question: I want to use the SSD just for OS and all his programs, so that he can just save all his work on the HDD. How do I go about setting this up? Does anyone know of a guide or anyone willing to help me set that up?

Pop in SSD, install OS and applications, plug in HDD(s), make raid array (if you stick with RAID), move user folders to storage array, copy old files to new storage array.

Sean's Windows install guides have info pertaining to the entire process excluding old file copying.

Also as a side note, if you notice he has poor file management skills when you copy all his old files, now would be an excellent time to instill good organizational habits into him; it can sometimes save a lot of time down the road.
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thanks for input, the reason I chose raid1 over external hd is that you would have to have it laying around all the time, and its just more cluster, and I know if its not always hooked up and programed to do backups every week or so he will eventually forget to do them.
He wanted a laptop, but since he is the type of guy that keeps everything till it dies I said it would be better to just do a build using the case he already has and when things get old just upgrade them. He does also have a laptop, but it isnt strictly for work although sometimes he does use it for work. Other reason I was against laptop they tend to die faster than a desktop, at least my laptops did, they didn't last over 3 years, his lasted like 6 or 7 years but calling that one slow was a compliment tongue.gif He is self employed through Remax so the company doesn't pay for anything, its all out of his pocket. I actually want to do it, if he pays me good if not, more experience for me wink.gif
I thinks im going to go for the i3 + the 8gb you guys recommended, still waiting one a couple of things to clear out..
You can save yourself a bit of money if you find out how much data he really needs backed up and use cloud storage for it instead of using a raid1. If a hard drive dies you have to go through the hassle of ordering a like drive and hoping you can restore it. Raid isn't meant for backups it is meant for redundancy and fast recovery time. Even if you are going with a raid 1 you still should consider offsite backup. IMHO if you are going to do cloud backup there is no need to run a raid. It's just going to increase your operating costs
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the access times from a blue or green to a black is not that big of a difference, I personally use WD 3TB Greens for my storage.
I wouldn't want to use blacks for storage and backups, I'd go with greens or blues and if it's important files that has to do with financial history I would def recommend Raid 1
The buffer cache is about the same as blacks now a days on power saving drives, the difference is the spin rates I believe.
Unless technology has changed on HD's now.. general rule is faster the mechanical spins the shorter life span.

It'll be painful if files are lost and IRS comes around,

external Storage is ok, I dont like it but that's just my personal preference.
I do how ever use external, Drobo 15TB All WD Greens wireless for home storage, everything in my apartment is connected to it, the blu-ray / living room tv / bedroom tv / my pc, mrs.pc / x3 laptops lol.


It's a easier solution for sharing storage.
For personal don't find it convenient for it's cost.

He won't need more than 4GB for web browsing but i think others were suggesting it because it'll just leave him room to not worry about the future.
if he's staying on 32-bit and he should..
I'd personally just stay with 4GB 1333mhz 25-30 bucks should get one you

Ok, the more i saty on here the more options come up and the more I am undecited to go about backin up his data... Ill list it as I see it so far

External back up
Pros : if pc dies, virus, water falls on it or what ever the external if no thooked up is safe
Cons: more clustrer laying around, if not hooked up all the time the risk is too high for forgetting to do backups

Raid1
Pros: you always have a back up, you set it up and dont ever have to worry about it
Cons: you can still get a virus as it copies everything

NAS:
Pros: external backup set up to back up on schedule (am I right, thats what I understood) its there but its not cluster laying around the pc. in case pc crashes it stays safe. if someone steels pc you still have everything.
Cons: Cost ... what is your idea?

coud:
Pros: super safe, seems like a good choice for many (im not on that boat, i prefer having my data on me not in other peoples hands)
Cons: cost, company could get hacked/bankrupt etc...

so what Im guessing the best would be NAS (that is what you have I believe, am I right?) I will talk to pops and see what he thinks about it... Im also waiting to hear all of your guyses opinion... Thanks again for everyone input smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
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